Minutes - 1998 - City Council - 01/22/1998 - SpecialEAGLE CITY COUNCIL/ACHD COMMISSIONERS
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING
MINUTES
JANUARY 22, 1998
COUNCIL: 4:00 p.m.
1. CALL TO ORDER:
2. ROLL CALL: Bastian, Guerber, Merrill, Sedlacek. Bastian Absent. A quorum is
present.
Susan Eastlake and Gary Richardson, ACHD Commissioners, are present.
Introductions were made.
3. NEW BUSINESS:
A. Status Reports:
1) Capital Improvement Plan: Mayor introduces the issue. Susan Eastlake
discusses ACHD's Capital Improvement Plan. Terry Little discusses ACHD's 5
Year Plan. Copies of the plan will be provided to the City when they are
finalized. A copy of the 5 Year Plan will be left with the City. General
discussion. Edgewood to Eagle would be constructed in 2003. Eagle Road to
Floating Feather 1999.
2) Impact Fee Ordinance: Susan Eastlake discusses the draft ordinance.
Would like to do the Impact Fee on an annual basis. General discugsion. An
increase in the area of 20% to 30%. Eagle, Meridian, Garden City and Boise will
be in one Assessment Zone, Kuna and Star will be in another Assessment Zone
and there will be a Rural Assessment Zone. The money collected in Eagle will be
used in Eagle. General discussion.
3) Proposed Bike Lane Policy: Susan Eastlake discusses the policy. This is a
change to the current bike lane plan. ACHD is getting close to being able to
establish the cost of the bike lanes. Mayor discusses this issues. The ACHD Bike
Lane Policy is on the City Council Agenda next Tuesday. Terry Little will attend
the Council meeting. General discussion.
4) Eagle Road from State Street to the Bypass: Steve Spickelmeir, ACHD.
Recommending award of this project with a start date the first of March. The
project, including Mission Drive, should be done May/June.
5) Downtown drainage problems: Mayor expresses his concerns. Errol
Morgan discusses these problems. These drainage problems are now in our
system and we will be taking care of them. We are aware of the problems on Park
Street and working on this. The County is set-up on zones for cleaning and we
respond to complaints. General discussion.
6) Eagle Road/Mission Drive: ACHD CT198C-004: Steve Spickelmeir
discusses this project. This project was moved up. Curb, gutter and sidewalk all
the way to Eagle Road. General discussion.
B. Urban Street setbacks: Butler discusses the issue as related to the work
being done on the City Comp Plan. General discussion. Susan Eastlake provides
Council with information on Urban Street Setbacks and discusses same.
C. Detached meandering sidewalks and landscape strips in subdivisions:
Butler discusses the work he is doing on an ordinance. Errol Morgan discusses
the issue of the type of trees that would work into this type of plan. Trees can be
very destructive to roadways. General discussion. Discussion on an interagency
agreement that could automatically by applied by ACHD instead of an ordinance.
D. 1st Street: One-way and diagonal parking: Butler displays an overlay
showing 1st Street. Discussion on bulb-out at the comers of 1st Street and State
Street. Discussion on 1st Street North being one-way north and 1st Street South
being one-way south. General discussion.
E. Randall Acres: Street maintenance: Merrill discusses this issue. There are
no curb, gutters and sidewalks and they are desperately needed. Susan Eastlake
states that this would be under the Neighborhood Enhancement Program. General
discussion. Surface maintenance is scheduled for that area in 2000. Drainage
would need to be considered in this area before curb, gutters and sidewalks are put
in. Drainage could be a problem. General discussion.
F. Criteria for traffic calming devices: Joe, ACHD, discusses the processes of
applying for the speed humps. Speed humps are effective in reducing traffic.
These mostly eliminate the cut through drivers. General discussion.
G. Discussion on Hill Road: Steve Spickelmeir: Hill Road West of new
Highway 55 is unfunded and is 7-8 years out for funding. General discussion.
This will be in the City Comp Plan.
Discussion on snow removal on State Street now that the road is ACHD.
H. Discussion on regularly scheduled meetings: The first Tuesday of the odd
months and alternate the site.
Discussion on signage.
Council Member Guerber left the meeting at 5:00 p.m., there was not a quorum.
4. ADJOUIINMENI:
Hearing no further business, the Council meeting adjourned at 6:25 p.m.
Respect fully submitted: [
SHAR(bN K. SMITH ' ' ......
CITY CLERK/TREASURER
APP~J~VED:
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MAYOR
SUSAN S. EASTLAKE. President
GARY E. RICHARDSON. Vice President
SHERRY R. HUBER. Secretary
TO: Director
FROM: Chuck Rinaldi
SUBJECT: Meeting on Urban Street Setbacks
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INTEROFFICE
CORRESPONDENCE
November 18, 1997
This report covers the meeting of ACRD staff Tuesday, November 11, regarding the question of
whether sidewalks and planter strips can be within an easement rather then within street right-of-
way. ACRD staff agreed that the answer is: yes, they can be. The possibility of an easement for
this purpose would be secured by asking the general purpose governments to increase their
setback requirements for new construction by ten feet on arterials and collector streets. ACHD
staff also agreed that it was possible to have utilities locate in a strip between the back of curb
and the face of the sidewalk.
The following is a list of pros and cons of the proposal from representatives of each effected
department:
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Idaho Power's policy is to purchase a 10 -foot overhead easement for all transmissions lines that
are moved or newly installed. Having the poles farther from the property lines would decrease
the amount of easement to be purchased and would save money for ratepayers. When power
lines are in private easements and need to be relocated at ACHD expense, our costs for right-of-
way would be reduced.
Irrigation boxes, fire hydrants, telephone boxes, and power poles are sometimes moved to keep
them out of the sidewalk. By separating the sidewalk from the curb and meandering the walk,
fewer of these obstructions may have to be moved. This could result in less expense to utilities,
developers, and ACHD depending on who was responsible for relocation costs.
Cons,
Utility poles near intersections and driveways can cause sight problems for motorists. Usually
the farther back structures are, the less likely they will cause a problem for cars entering traffic.
American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) recommends
that utility poles, telephone risers, fire hydrants and other obstructions be located at least 18
inches from the back of the curb so that a vehicle running into the curb will not strike them.
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Even with utility obstructions moved outside the 18 -inch corridor, there may be an increased
liability to the utility and the District if a vehicle were to hit a utility structure because of it being
closer to the roadway than if it were behind the sidewalk.
Utility line alignment problems could arise from matching a standard design on a street with a
street having a detached sidewalk. This would be true whether it was in an easement or not,
because the power lines would not line up at the interface between the two different standards.
Note: If a "sidewalk, landscape, utility, storm drain, and street sign easement" was obtained some
of these problems could be corrected.
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Pro
Typically, the cost for a permanent easement is approximately 75% of the value of the land. Less
right-of-way would be required to be purchased if the sidewalk were to be on private property.
Potentially, that could result in lower costs. Of course, this would depend on the width of the
utility strip purchased behind the curb.
Cons.
The staff feels that the courts would most likely decide in favor of a property owner who was
claiming that ACHD should pay him full value for land that was to be used for a public sidewalk
that is of no use to him. In addition, the property owner would still have to pay property taxes on
the sidewalks and be responsible for its maintenance. ACHD might also be liable for attorney
fees and costs arising from such a claim. Note: Future consideration should be consistent with
ACRD policy regarding sidewalks.
More temporary construction easements would have to be purchased at approximately 25% of
full right-of-way value to construct improvements near private property.
Maintenance
Prr
The strip of right-of-way behind the sidewalk can be a maintenance problem. Putting the
sidewalk on private property with an easement would allow for fences to be built up to the back
of the sidewalk and it would be clearer that the private property owner was responsible for
maintenance of that area.
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Con
The District will maintain the strip at the back of the curb, or perhaps a municipality if it is to be
landscaped. The material used to fill this area would determine how high the installation and
maintenance costs would be.
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There are no pros in this category.
Con
It is usually cheaper to pour sidewalk, curb, and gutter at the same time (monolithically). A
detached sidewalk would prevent the contractor using this method. Additionally, more asphalt,
seeding, sodding, or sprinklers could be required. Note:Presently, many developers choose to
install detached or meandering sidewalks
Traffic
Eras
Moving the sidewalk back means traffic signs could be located closer to the street giving them
better visibility.
In some cases it would be cheaper to meet some Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
requirements. ` Ramp wings can be replaced with a 6 -inch wide curb if the ramp side abuts a
lawn or planter.'(ISPWC)
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Traffic signs may not overhang a sidewalk and should not extend into the road beyond the curb
line; therefore, a wider strip would be necessary to accommodate some signs and to keep them at
least 18 inches from the back of the curb.
Having utility lines located closer to signal poles with luminaires could cause conflicts with the
requirement to keep power lines at least 10 feet from them.
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Impact fees
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Having the sidewalk on private property should lessen the cost of buying right-of-way with
impact fees if easements can be purchased for less than full land value.
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If smaller homes and buildings are constructed to make room for sidewalks on a lot, less impact
fee money might be collected. Alternatively, the additional setback requirement might result in
all developments costing more.
Aesthetics
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Mailboxes could be outside the sidewalk.
Some consider power poles to be ugly if they are close to their house, and they would be farther
from buildings because of this.
A meandering sidewalk could be used to save trees that might otherwise have to be removed.
Con
Some consider power poles to be ugly if they are close to the road, and they would be closer
because of this.
More trees might have to be removed to accommodate the detached sidewalk.
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When constructing infill projects, conflicts could occur, such as cars parked in driveways where
sidewalks are closer to houses blocking access by pedestrians.
Costs to developers and home buyers might be increased due to the requirement for larger lots in
order to meet setback requirements.
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Many commercial neo -traditional design projects have buildings closer to the roadway with
parking in the rear. Detaching the sidewalk would move the building farther from the street.
The location of sediment boxes and seepage beds often push utilities to the back of the sidewalk
due to their depth. If the utilities are in the strip at the back of the curb, they will be forced to
private property or we must find a different method for handling storm drainage. This is another
reason for ACHD to obtain easements that allow for utilities and storm drainage as well as for
traffic signs, sidewalk and landscaping.
Even if setback requirements were lowered, it would probably not substantially effect how often
ACHD is required to purchase structures for road construction. That is because existing
buildings are not required to meet setback requirements when conditions are changed by a road
project.
c. Kent Brown, P.E.
Dorrell Hansen, P.E.