Minutes - 2006 - City Council - 02/21/2006 - Regular
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EAGLE CITY COUNCIL
Minutes
February 21, 2006
THIS MEETING WILL BE HELD
AT THE
EAGLE SENIOR CENTER
HEarly Start Time for Pre-Council**
PRE-COUNCIL AGENDA: 5:30 p.m. - 7:30 p.m.
1. Review of Acoustic Treatment Proposal for new Council Chambers. - Pritchard H. White, Ph.D., M.E.
Mr. White provides Council an overview of his two reports and his recommendation for acoustic panels
be installed in the Council chambers. General discussion.
2. Review of Audio Visual Systems Design for new City Hall- AA Tronics. Ethan Wheeler and Rick
Stanley provide Council an overview of the proposal for the audio-visual for the new city hall. General
discussion.
Mayor calls a recess at 7:05 p.m.
Mayor reconvenes the meeting at 7: 15 p.m.
3. Mayor - Healing Field DVD Presentation. A DVD presentation of the Healing Field is played for the
Council. General discussion.
4. Mayor and Council's Report: Moved to end of Agenda
5. City Engineer Report: Moved to end of Agenda
6. City Clerk/Treasurer Report: Moved to end of Agenda
7. Zoning Administrator's Report: Moved to end of Agenda
8. City Attorney Report: Moved to end of Agenda
REGULAR COUNCIL AGENDA: 7:30 p.m.
I. CALL TO ORDER: Mayor calls the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
2. ROLL CALL: BASTIAN, GUERBER, NORDSTROM, BANDY. All present. A quorum is
present.
3. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
4. PUBLIC COMMENT: Justin Alderson, wants to know the results of the meeting with Idaho Power
in regards to the substation at Linder and Beacon Light. Mayor provides an overview of the meeting.
This is outside the jurisdiction of the City. Ada County approved the substation. Idaho Power will have
to come to the City of Eagle for the transmission lines through the City under a conditional use permit.
Mayor provides an overview of the meeting today with the City of Meridian in regards to each cities areas
of impact.
5. CONSENT AGENDA:
. Consent Agenda items are considered to be routine and are acted on with one motion. There
will be no separate discussion on these items unless the Mayor, a Councilmember, member of
City Staff, or a citizen requests an item to be removed from the Consent Agenda for
discussion. Items removed from the Consent Agenda will be placed on the Regular Agenda in
a sequence determined by the City Council.
. Any item on the Consent Agenda which contains written Conditions of Approval from the
City of Eagle City Staff, Planning & Zoning Commission, or Design Review Board shall be
adopted as part of the City Council's Consent Agenda approval motion unless specifically
stated otherwise.
A. Claims Against the City.
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B. Minutes of February 14,2006.
C. DR-lOS-OS - Two Buildine: Wall Sie:ns for Evan Hathawav DDS - Dave Evans
Construction: Dave Evans Construction, represented by Travis Burrows, is requesting
design review approval to construct two building wall signs for Evan Hathaway DDS.
The site is located on the south side of East Iron Eagle Drive within Rocky Mountain
Business Park No.3. (WEV)
D. DR-1I3-0S - Multi-tenant Office Buildine: within Windine: Creek East Subdivision-
Eae:le Buildine: LLC: Eagle Building LLC, represented by Brian DeHaas, is requesting
design review approval to construct a 10,000-square foot multi-tenant office building.
The site is located on the south side of East Winding Creek Drive approximately 200-feet
east of East Hill Road (Lot 9, Block 2, Winding Creek East Subdivision, formerly known
as Hill Creek Business Park Subdivision). (WEV)
E. DR-1I4-0S - Master Sie:n Plan for a Multi-Tenant Office Buildine:. Includine: One
Buildine: Wall Sie:n for WRG Desie:n Inc. - WRG Desie:n Inc.: WRG Design Inc.,
represented by Brian DeHaas, is requesting design review approval of a master sign plan
for a multi-tenant office building, including one building wall sign for WRG Design Inc.
The site is located on the south side of East Winding Creek Drive approximately 200-feet
east of East Hill Road (Lot 9, Block 2, Winding Creek East Subdivision, formerly known
as Hill Creek Business Park Subdivision). (WEV)
F. DR-In-OS - Two-story Multi-tenant Office Buildine: within Eae:le River Subdivision
_ Dave Evans Construction: Dave Evans Construction, represented by Travis Burrows
is requesting design review approval to construct a 34,750-square foot two-story multi-
tenant office building. The site is located approximately 75-feet east of East Shore Drive
on the north side of Riverside Drive (Lots 10 & I 1, Block 3, Mixed Use No.5
Subdivision). (WEV)
G. DR-1I8-0S - Master Sie:n Plan For A Two StOry Multi-Tenant Office Buildine:-
Dave Evans Construction: Dave Evans Construction, represented by Travis Burrows, is
requesting design review approval of a master sign plan for a two story multi-tenant
office building. The site is located approximately 75-feet east of East Shore Drive on the
north side of Riverside Drive (Lots 10 & 11, Block 3, Mixed Use Subdivision No.5).
(WEV)
Bastian moves to remove Items A and D from the Consent Agenda. Seconded by Nordstrom. ALL
AYES: MOTION CARRIES.....................
Bastian Moves to approve the Consent Agenda as amended. Seconded by Bandy. ALL AYES:
MOTION CARRIES..................
A. Claims Ae:ainst the City. City Clerk: There were no claims against the City that needed to be
approved tonight.
D. DR-I 13-0S - Multi-tenant Office Buildine: within Windine: Creek East Subdivision - Eae:le
Buildine: LLC: Eagle Building LLC, represented by Brian DeHaas, is requesting design review approval
to construct a 10,000-square foot multi-tenant office building. The site is located on the south side of East
Winding Creek Drive approximately 200-feet east of East Hill Road (Lot 9, Block 2, Winding Creek East
Subdivision, formerly known as Hill Creek Business Park Subdivision). (WEV)
Guerber: I have inquiries of why there are two different sets of antique street lights being installed within
Winding Creek Subdivision.
Zoning Administrator Vaughan: Street lights on State Street meet the City standards. The lights in the
interior and parking lots are a different style. General discussion. I will look into this and report back to
you. General discussion.
Guerber moves to approve DR-1I3-0S - Multi-tenant Office Building within Winding Creek East
Su bdivision. Seconded by Bastian. ALL AYES: MOTION CARRIES.....................
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6. PROCLAMATIONS & RESOLUTIONS:
A. Proclaimine: March as Red Cross Month. (NM)
Mayor introduces the issue.
Nordstrom moves to approve Proclaiming March as Red Cross Month. Seconded by Bastian.
Discussion. ALL AYES: MOTION CARRIES....................
7. FINAL PLATS: None
8. 8. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
A. A-08-0S/RZ-12-0S/PP-1I-0S Park Place Gardens Subdivision - Park Place Partners LLC: Park
Place Partners, LLC, represented by Bill Clark with Clark Development, is requesting an annexation and
rezone from RUT (Rural Urban Transition) to R-2-DA (Residential 2-units per acre with a development
agreement), and preliminary plat approval for Park Place Gardens a l26-10t (112-buildable, l4-common)
subdivision. The 95.32-acre site is located between Meridian Road and Park Lane approximately 1,300
feet north of Floating Feather Road. (WEV)
Mayor introduces the issue.
City Attorney Buxton: Discusses the City's posting requirements for public hearing. The original sign
posting on the property stated the public hearing was before the Planning & Zoning and not the City
Council so that is the reason for continuing the public hearing to tonight.
Rondo Fehlberg, applicant, we have a transcript from the January 24, 2006 City Council hearing and it
will become part of the record. Provides an overview ofthe project and displays presentation boards.
Phil Hull, The Land Group, representing the applicant, provides Council an overview of the projects.
Discusses the lot sizes, pathway and vehicle connectivity. Discussion on the canals and open space.
Nichole Baird Spencer, Planner, Provides Council an overview of the project. I have provided a new
Memo tonight Titled 8A. General discussion. The Planning and Zoning Commission has recommended
approval. General discussion.
Mayor opens the Public Hearing
Mayor swears in Crystel Menefee.
Crystel Meneffe, Park Place, would like the Council to leave it be.
Mayor swears in Greg Johnson.
Greg Johnson, 1848 N. Clarian Way, what does it do for the Council to represent the residents that are
here. Discussion on the lot sizes.
Mayor swears in David Anderson.
David Anderson, 3596 W. Siena Court, I am a native Idahoan and I am President of the Cavallo
Homeowners Association. We have organized as subdivision and we have had many meetings and written
many letters. Discussion on having larger lots, we are not trying to exclude anyone. This is a beautiful
project and a beautiful subdivision but not in the middle of this area with 2 acre lots. Discussion on
traffic. The whole reason we have come out is for bigger lots.
Mayor swears in Justin Alderson.
Justin Alderson, 234 N. Bottle Place, discussion on safety on Dry Creek. Discussion on planning and
transportation corridor. Discussion on the Legacy development.
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Mayor swears in Denise Abbott.
Denise Abbott, 3433 W. Saito. I am recent to Eagle from California and we moved here
because be have land that we never had before. I'm concerned about where the kids are going to go to
school. General discussion.
Mayor swears in Dwayne Lingel.
Dwayne Lingel, 2440 N. Park, My family has been here since 1954. There has been a lot of change to the
community since you people have moved here. I feel there has been a huge compromise to the project. I
support the developers who have been willing to make the changes. I think many of the people who have
bought could have done their own research on the area. I have looked at the Comp Plan and it was
noticed, I found it in the newspaper.
Mayor swears in Brent Thompson.
Brent Thompson, 1032 Great Basin, Meridian, my business is going to be in Eagle, I am with the
developers. We did not come into the city to cause contention. We have tried to satisfy and mitigate the
concerns of the citizens. I know that not everyone is going to happy even with the changes that we made.
We did not have this many people at our neighborhood meetings. Discussion on the changes that were
made.
Mayor swears in Max Roberts.
Max Roberts, 1002 E. River Song Drive, I am a transplant here as most of you are. This subdivision will
have quality homes. The homes will cost $1 M. I am for the project. The developers have done an
excellent jot. Land around Eagle is going fast.
Mayor swears in Jason Perry.
Jason Perry, 2458 N. Bottle Creek, discussion on property values. My main concern is traffic. Park Lane
will take the brunt ofthe traffic. It's big landowners versus little landowners. I think they have done a
good job. Hopefully this will increase the quality of life in Eagle.
Mayor swears in Randy Hallman.
Randy Hallman, 4807 W. Little Feather Lane, we will make some changes as the City grows. I wish
when my kids walk their sheep and horses through the area that people would not complain about the
droppings. This looks like a good compromise.
Mayor swears in Becky Callister.
Becky Callister, 2873 W. Wind Drive, discussion on the Comp Plan. Discussion on spot zoning. Why is
this subdivision getting preferential treatment. Discussion on lot sizes. Reads a statement off from the
City website. I heard that the City was threatened with a lawsuit. General discussion.
City Attorney Buxton, there has been no threat of a lawsuit against the City except for the people in your
area.
Mayor swears in Eric Liyl.
Eric Liyl 2257 Park Lane, I live right across the street from this project. I basically agree with what
everyone has said in opposition to this project. Discussion on traffic and infrastructure.
Mayor swears in Ted Martinez.
Ted Martinez, 1875 Spring Point Lane, 1 have lived in Eagle for 17 years. People who benefit from
developers are the people who live in the homes. Discussion on the neighborhood meetings. This
compromise is very good and will benefit the neighborhood. The comp plan had been changed prior to
people moving into Cavallo Estates.
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Mayor swears in Steven Edwards.
Steven Edwards, 3405 W. Deerfield, I am here as a representative of Buckhorn Estate.
There is a general agreement that this proposal is not in the best interest of the City of Eagle. Discussion
on traffic. Discussion on development in the City of Boise. I'm happy to say that this Council is more
open and honest than in Ada County.
Mayor swears in Lynn Proctor.
Lynn Proctor, 3665 W. Tabasco, the people that get up here and have issues seem to be the people that
have been here the shortest time. Discussion the size of the lots. This area was initially 5 acres and it has
changed to 2 acres and then to 1 acre.
Mayor swears in Mike Hillfuller.
Mike Hillfuller, 1753 N. Chalcer Way, discussion on compromise. This was the wrong plan for the area
to begin with. This is not a good compromise. My main opposition if traffic. Discussion on
neighborhood connections. We all think that we are being treated unfairly.
Mayor swears in Lane Kofoed.
Lane Kofoed, as a realtor I knew what was going in this area. Discussion on the various meetings. Most
of the testimony is coming from a very small portion of the City. This is a very small group of self-
interest. Discussion on comp plans.
Mayor swears in Gary Brandecker.
Gary Brandecker, 917 N. Colony Way, we are one acre lots and our concern is traffic. May concern is
planning.
Mayor swears in Ken Tanner.
Ken Tanner, 4845 W. Bluefield Court, discussion on the comp plan. Reads statements found on the City
website. This density does not make sense to the surrounding area.
Mayor swears in Bryan Trumble.
Bryan Trumble, I am a 10 year resident of the City. I have been to most of the meetings. From one plan
to the second plan is great. Discussion on quality of life. Discussion on traffic. Discussion on the
livestock in the area.
Mayor swears in Chuck Rosco.
Chuck Rosco, 2634 E. Gladstone Court, I'm an Idaho native. This is great looking project. This project
still does not fit.
Mayor swears in Joel Barker.
Joel Barker, I'm representing the Colony. I'm concerned about the density. General discussion.
Mayor swears in Cheryl Westover.
Cheryl Westover, this subdivision has not been sold yet. There are quality builders that want to build in
this subdivision. This is a first class development. Discussion on traffic. This is a great subdivision.
Mayor swears in Chad Moffit.
Chad Moffit, when developers do a development there is a lot of heart and work put into the project. This
is a nice subdivision. There a lot of people who would like to live in Eagle. Sometimes large lots are not
the best use of land.
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Mayor swears in Megan Taner.
Megan Tanner, 4585 W. Boothill Court, I am a student at Eagle High School. Discusses
traffic. Discusses crime in the area. I want to keep the open spaces.
Mayor swears in Dustin Simpson.
Dustin Simpson, I moved up here from California. Eagle has a reputation as being uppity. Discussion on
the price ofland. We have downsized because we didn't want 5 acres any longer. This still mean I can't
live in Eagle. This project is great.
Mayor swears in Ron Graff.
Ron Graff, 3951 Deerfield, this project is in the wrong place. I've come from California and I've seen
this same thing happening. We moved here to have open space.
Mayor swears in Todd Mutz.
Tod Mutz, my concern is traffic and density.
Mayor calls a recess at 9:55 p.m
Mayor reconvenes at 10:05 p.m.
Rondo Fehlberg, discusses the original plat and the modified plat which was further modified. The
current plat you have not seen tonight. We plan to be here a long time; we have over 700 acres in Ada
County. This is an extraordinary City Council. We are working with the Meridian School District for an
elementary school location just north of this property. Discussion on the traffic. The project has been
approved by ACHD. Discussion on building two acres with septic tanks. We have to have these types of
projects to bring in the funds to take care of the infrastructure. General discussion.
General discussion.
Mayor closes the Public Hearing.
General Council discussion.
Bandy moves to approve A-08-0S/RZ-12-0S/PP-ll-OS Park Place Gardens Subdivision - Park Place
Partners LLC with all of the Site Specific Conditions of Approval and the addition of the
Development Agreement. Seconded by Bastian. THREE AYES: ONE NAY: MOTION
CARRIES... ... ......... ...... ... ...
Mayor calls a recess at 10: 55 p.m.
Mayor reconvenes at II: 15 p.m.
9. UNFINISHED BUSINESS: None
10. NEW BUSINESS:
A. Action on Acoustic Treatment Proposal: (SKB)
Mayor introduces the issue.
Guerber moves to table this matter until the February 28, 2006 City Council meeting. Seconded by
Bandy. ALL AYES: MOTION CARRIES......................
B. Action on Audio Visual Svstem Desie:n Proposal: (SKB)
Mayor introduces the issue.
City Attorney: Discusses the terms of the contract. These terms are going to be changed because we are
a government entity. AA Tronics will provide a new contract. You can go ahead and approve proposal
and authorize the Mayor to sign.
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Bastian moves to approve the audio/visual system design as proposed including the
wireless microphones in the amount not to exceed $9S,000.00 and authorize the
Mayor to sign the contracts. Bastian: A YEj Guerber: AYE: Nordstrom: AYE:
Bandy: AYEj ALL AYES MOTION CARRIES..............
C. Request for boIIards alone: Brookwood pathwav entrance: (NM)
Mayor introduces the issue.
General discussion.
Bastian moves to approve the request for bollards along the Brookwood pathway at Eagle Road not
to exceed $S,OOO.OO. Seconded by Nordstrom. Discussion. Bastian: AYE; Guerber: AYE:
Nordstrom: AYE: Bandy: A YEj ALL AYES MOTION CARRIES..............
E. Lack of construction vehicle access to Rine:o Ride:e Subdivision. (SEB/WEV)
Mayor introduces the issue.
City Attorney Buxton: This item deals with the Agreement we entered into in December regarding several
items one of which was the requirement for a construction access for their use so they could avoid going
through the residential neighborhoods. Apparently that has not taken place and I think this could
eventually be a breach of contract which we would have to threaten litigation with regard to the
enforcement of that Contract. I ask that the Council move into Executive Session on that basis.
11. EXECUTIVE SESSION:
A. Pendine: or Threatened Litie:ation: I.c. 67-2345(f)
Bastian moves to go into Executive Session for the discussion of pending or threatened litigation
according to Idaho Code 67-234S(t). Seconded by Nordstrom. Bastian: A YEj Guerber: AYE:
Nordstrom: AYE: Bandy: AYE; ALL AYES MOTION CARRIES..............
Council goes into Executive Session at 11 :25 p.m.
Council discusses pending or threatened litigation.
Council leaves Executive Session at 11 :50 p.m.
PRE-COUNCIL REPORTS CON'T:
Mavor and Council's Report:
Mayor: Reports on a possible equestrian center. Discussion on the Title 9 money. General discussion.
Discussion on a community college.
Discussion on sewer package plants.
Zoning Administrator's Report: Discussion on the State Farm monument sign.
City Engineer Report: No report
City Clerk/Treasurer Report: No report
City Attorney Report: No Report
12. ADJOURNMENT:
Bastian moves to adjourn. Seconded by Bandy. ALL AYES: MOTION CARRIES............
Hearing no further business, the Council meeting adjourned at 12:30 a.m.
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Eagle City Council Feb 21, 2006
RJF Discussion Notes1 /a{1
Introduction
• Excuse Bill Clark — consistent local face, forgotten more about
development in Eagle than many of us know.
• Apologies to Council/Mayor for re -hearing, but due to questions about
proper notice all concluded this is necessary. Want this to be right —
above reproach.
• Incorporate entire record from January hearing, including Council
comments, recommendations and conditions.
• For benefit of those who may not have attended or had opportunity to
review record — brief project summary, reserve further comment for
rebuttal.
Proiect Summary
Apr 2005
July 2005
Aug 2005
Aug/Sep 2005
Oct 2005
Nov 2005
Dec 2005
Jan 2006
Feb 2006
REPC to purchase property from Foad Roghani
Park Place Gardens Pro Forma
P&Z Staff recommends approval of 190 lot subdivision
Concerns expressed by neighbors, plan revised.
Postponed P&Z hearing re: revised -pr — tom bet with
Staff/neighbors to work for further compromise. VA'
(Not Required)
City re -visits Soaring 2025 Plan. P&Z re -affirms S2025
process, declines to recommend changes.
P&Z Hearing — recommends approval 5-0.
City Council Hearing — approves 3-1.
Questions about proper notice result in re -hearing — No
changes in facts!
Complete purchase (Invested more than $10mm)
Council Re -Hearing.
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RJF Discussion Notes2
Voluntary Compromises
"Too Dense"
"Need Perimeter
Transition Lots"
"Cut -through
Traffic"
"Continued Canal
Access"
Reduced lots from 190 to 112
Nearly 20% open space (10% required)
($150k/lot = $11.7mm lost revenue)
Created 11 transition lots from 1.1 ac (1 lot) to
1.97ac., all w/ greater abutting frontage than
neighbors, despite market research & strong
evidence of lower demand for larger lots.
(<$6mm lost revenue)
(18x3=54-11=43x$150=$6.45m m )
Complete street redesign (see plat).
Included Cavallo rep (Chuck Roscoe) in ACHD mtgs.
Asked ACHD to permanently stub Caretto Way
(declined — explain `interconnectivity').
Agreed to cul-de-sac Central Park Dr., making canal
bridge pedestrian only (w/ emergency access).
Eliminated Cedar Breaks Way (off Park Lane).
Agreed to create traffic calming entry/exit points.
Comprehensive path system includes entire canal.
"Need Privacy from Re -designed perimeter path system, created
Walkers/Joggers" landscape berm.
Eagle City Council Feb 21, 2006
RJF Discussion Notes3
Summary
Worked w/ City from beginning to ensure consistency w/ S2025 — used Staff
recommendations, guidelines from outset. (Haven't forced our agenda.)
Original project was great — beautiful, walkable community, high demand.
Will be built in Eagle, just not here.
Re -designed project, with major neighborhood compromises, still great.
Major asset to community. Interest high -- major buzz.
Consistent with S2025
• Well below recommended R2 zoning.
• Stems further septic tank pollution/environ deterioration.
(3rd world country?, Ada County set 2 ac minimum)
• Funds crucial infrastructure investment (water, sewer, etc.).
• Walkable community great benefit to nearby Eagle HS.
AU traffic impacts well within ACHD guidelines.
Working w/ Meridian School Dist to locate planned school site on north
parcel (Beacon Light frontage).
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Eagle City Council Comments
January 24, 2006
Councilman Bandy
"... does a $350,000 two -acre lot support diversity in Eagle? I
don't think so.. .
So in my mind, if we're talking about diversity ... in the
community ... this is kind of an inevitable step in some of these
areas ... where we're trying to transition from ... five [to] two -acre
lots and then [from] two acres into the planned unit developments.
I think the developers made a lot of concessions and
compromises to try to make that transition fit. They're fitting the comp
plan designations. They are -- definitely are trying to work with their
surrounding neighbors to get that transition with the lot lines and
those sorts of things.
So in my mind, it fits with the direction we're looking at. It fits
into the comp plan designations and in that area."
President Bastain
"One of the things that I have always insisted upon is
interconnectivity of communities. We will often have a subdivision
saying, We don't want to be connected to the subdivision next door,
because those people might come through and use our streets. And
that's exactly what I'd like to see happen .. .
Children in school, grade school, middle school, high school,
develop friendships [and] are going to want to visit each other, and
that's what makes us a community. If we become isolated and not
connected, we're no longer a community, but we're just little chunks
of islands out there.
... I don't see anything wrong [with] having smaller lots next to
larger lots next to big Tots.
I think healthy communities are built by a weave of different
lifestyles and different income levels, [and] socio-economic patterns.
Young people that grow up in neighborhoods where they can
associate with different individuals — and of course, they have the
pathways and the walkways and so forth that allow them to
interconnect.
So I think this is an appropriate development. It is not exactly
like the developments around it. It does not maintain the two -acre lot
size. But it does offer some very attractive things. It offers some
open space, it offers a ... community pool, it offers walking
pathways, things like that.
Do you think people want to buy into this community? I think
so.... I think we have a great community. I think we have to make
allowances for diversity, and I will vote in favor of this proposal."
Councilman Guerber
"1 don't think the subdivision is going to lower property values . .
. I have not seen anywhere in Eagle where developing even smaller
lots in the ... vicinity of larger lots has dropped prices.
I think with the transitions that are built into this ... it is an
example of something that is a good subdivision ... and I'm
favorable."
Councilman Nordstrom
Before saying that, although he was voting against the development,
he could be easily swayed the other way, Councilman Nordstrom
said,
"For the record, I think this transition they've come with is an amazing
change, and I think it's a heck of a nice looking subdivision. 1 think
when you get this boiled down to 1.17 acres per unit, I think they've
tried awful hard."
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EAGLE CITY COUNCIL
Park Place Gardens Subdivision
January 24, 2006
EAGLE CITY COUNCIL
Park Place Gardens Subdivision
January 24, 2006
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2 RONDO FEHLBERG: My name is Rondo
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8 This has been a long process. It's been a
9 process that as -- as Bill and Doug have mentioned,
10 has lasted many months, but I believe it's been a
11 very constructive process. It's been a helpful
12 process for all of us, though it has been at times
4 at 14 North 920 East in Orem, Utah. Delighted to be
5 with you here this evening, and I know this has been
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14 The transition from where we started to
15 where we are has been quite a remarkable one, and
16 there have been a number of meetings. Many of the
17 people who've participated in those meetings in the
18 neighborhood groups are not here tonight, but some
19 are, and they have slogged through this every bit of
20 the way with us.
21 There have been times when we've sat
22 over -- over plats and maps and drawings in work
23 sessions where we really couldn't agree much -- with
24 much of anything. There have been other times when
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7 now as part of the developer group is that there has
8 been an extraordinary amount of process and a lot of
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12 Soaring 25 plan, and we think, as Bill said earlier,
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17 new 20/25 plan, and we've accepted that. We've
18 listened carefully to -- to you, to the mayor, to
19 staff and accepted that role, and that has resulted
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23 that we very much wanted a walkable, liveable
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8 ACHD that it be a through -- or that it be -- that
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10 can see, in the street redesign, a -- quite a
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12 inconceivable that someone's going to use it now as
13 a cut -through, because they have to make so many
14 turns through the neighborhood to do that that we
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17 of us.
18 The other thing that was a concern was
19 this transition and the match up of lot lines.
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20 Originally, in the plan that you see over here,
21 which is no longer going to be used, the lot lines
22 were almost one for one on the south with the
23 Cavallo neighborhood. And so if you'll look close
24 there in the background, you can see those lots
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2 there's now less apparent density on our side than
3 on the other side, just because of the way the lot
4 lines match up, because our transition lots are not
5 as deep.
6 There was a lot of discussion about that
7 park -- that pathway along the south side at the
8 Planning Commission level, and there seemed to be a
9 lot of support for having a pathway there, but there
10 was concern by the residents of Cavallo. And in the
11 end, we decided that that private property right was
12 the more important one, since we could find a way to
13 create a pass-through. And so I'm going to take
14 just a minute and trace that for you so that you can
15 see this walkable part of the neighborhood, and I
16 apologize that I'll move away from the microphone.
17 This was one important area that really
18 came from the neighborhood, and we appreciate it.
19 We did not have an entry pathway from the corner, so
20 as kids come down Meridian, now immediately on
21 arriving at our corner, if they haven't come into
22 Henry's North Forty, they can now come in right here
23 and enter our pathway system, and we believe that's
24 a benefit as kids come through and work their way
25 down toward the high school.
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2 to the bottom perimeter of the development, turns
3 right here, and as was mentioned by Doug, works it's
4 way in through the perimeter of the development and
5 comes out right at the corner, almost where it would
6 have before. So it's -- it's a little bit longer
7 pathway, but we believe it's a nice meander, and it
8 will work, and it respects the privacy of Cavallo to
9 the south.
10 We do have a landscape plan here that will
11 create further privacy, and that will then be put on
12 the site, and then become the responsibility of each
13 homeowner as part of their landscape development
14 plan. So as part of our design criteria, we will
15 work with the landowners to develop that landscaping
16 plan along the back perimeter, so that visually it
17 won't look much different, but it will not have any
18 pedestrian access across the south.
19 The other thing that we felt was an
20 important design element here was to try to avoid
21 any of the pass-through east/west concerns that the
22 people in Canterbury had, and we wanted to respect
23 the people in Canterbury, especially in terms of the
24 additional traffic that might be created there, and
25 so we were delighted when ACHD allowed us to close
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4 Once again, there -- we accept the
5 Planning and Zoning Commission's recommendations and
6 their findings, top to bottom, with these two
7 exceptions, and I want to point them out, because we
8 don't want to be inconsistent with what they've
9 said.
10 The two changes that are not in their
11 recommendation are as follows:
12 As was discussed by Doug, we took one lot
13 here to create more match -up to the north, and we
14 placed it here where there really is no transition
15 needed, because there's really no neighbors here to
16 the south.
17 And that is not part of the plan, but we
18 were approved for an overall density and a lot
19 number, and this keeps it consistent with the number
20 of lots in the overall density, so there's really no
21 change in intent, but just an adjustment, which we
22 spoke -- which we discussed with staff. And so --
23 and so we went ahead and did that, even though it
24 didn't end up being part of what was voted on.
25 I think there's one last thing that I'd
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1 like to say, and that is that this has been a long
2 process. It's an expensive process. You know that.
3 We are anxious to move to an end with that and move
4 on. We are concerned, obviously, as anyone else is,
5 that if we don't reach the end of it, then the
6 financing that we have arranged for this whole
1.1 7 process goes into jeopardy, and we don't know where
8 that would end out.
9 But we certainly would not want it to
10 jeopardize our ability to work with you on this
11 project, because we think it's a great project. We
12 think it is the essence of Soaring 20/25, and we
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14 neighborhood have brought our densities down lower
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15 than envisioned in the plan, but we think that's
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17 Thank you very much.
18 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
19 Any questions?
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21 RONDO FEHLBERG: Thank you.
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22 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Staff.
23 NICOLE BAIRD SPENCER: Nicole Baird
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3 proposed project is north of Floating Feather, lying
4 between Park Lane and Meridian Road. It is in the
5 area that -- I think has now coined the termed the
6 East Linder Planning Area.
7 Though that comprehensive plan amendment
8 failed, this was the area that was redesignated in
9 the Soaring 20/25 plan as a transitional area to
10 receive additional -- a new land use designation of
11 residential 2, with additional comp plan policies
12 dealing in that land use action with providing
13 transition and buffering to existing developments.
14 The proposed application -- I want to -- I
15 want to address a couple of things. First thing is
16 this is the application -- this is the submittal you
17 have reviewed in your packet. If you look at your
18 submittal that -- that the applicant has provided
19 you, it was received by the city on January 19.
20 Staff has not completely reviewed it. We
21 reviewed the request, and per se do not have a
22 distinct issue with it, but they do not -- that
23 submittal does not address all of the concerns of
24 The Planning and Zoning Commission for -- it --
25 Planning and Zoning Commission never recommended the
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2 Zoning Commission did request the buffering lots to
3 all be at a 20 percent reduction, and further, it
4 relocates a lot.
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7 It has some block numbering issues, it's got some
8 note issues that have not been specifically detailed
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12 some concerns if we acted on this without some type
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14 that the submittal that is provided to us for
15 final -- for the preliminary plot approval is
16 actually accurate and meets the standards of the
17 City of Eagle.
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19 Planning and Zoning Commission did recommend
20 approval of this application five to zero allowing
21 for a 20 percent reduction in what we called buffer
22 lots, the perimeter lots, the transition lots.
23 Staff recommendation and identification of
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2 removal of those areas were lots that fronted on
3 Park Lane or Meridian Road. So you have a lot here,
4 and then the lots along Park Lane that did not
5 specifically abut an exterior property line.
6 That was staff's recommendation. The
7 Planning and.Zoning Commission then also recommended
8 on top of that that rather than having a compatible
9 lot be a same -sized lot, a 1.44 acre lot would be
10 considered a compatible or transition from a 1.8
11 acre lot.
12 In many ways, this application addresses
13 several of the policies of our comprehensive plan
14 and meets the intent of both the Soaring 20/25 plan
15 and several of the polices dealing with the city
16 2000 comprehensive plan, mainly being connectivity
17 of roadway systems and the density of the overall
18 development is only 1.7 units per acre.
19 And they have agreed that all lots outside
20 of perimeter lots, which would be an increase in
21 size will meet the 17,000 -square -foot minimum and
22 meet all the setbacks, centered setbacks of that
23 zone.
24 They are providing a pedestrian pathway
25 along the irrigation canal as adopted by our
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1 preliminary -- our parks and pathways map. They are
2 further providing connectivity at -- I'm going to
3 say the name wrong, because I always do, Caretto to
4 Henry's -- to Cavallo, and then on Corsey to Henry's
5 North Forty at the direction of the Ada County
6 Highway District, and also in keeping with
7 transportation policies of our comprehensive plan.
8 Further, we've already discussed the
9 transitioning of that area. Planning and Zoning
10 Commission recommendations for this application were
11 fairly straightforward in which they identified and
12 clarified which lots were transitional lots. They
13 clarified the lot sizing for a transitional lot.
14 And they placed a note that the proposed bridge
15 crossing New Drake Creek (phonetic spelling) shall
16 be limited to pedestrian only with emergency access.
17 That's the bridge proposed right here.
18 They've also requested that additional
19 signage be placed both at the entrances of Henry
20 North Forty and Cavallo Estates stating construction
21 access prohibited, forcing all construction access
22 to come either from Meridian Road or Park Lane, and
23 not through existing subdivisions.
24 Staff feels that this application has gone
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2 not, per se, have any issue with their proposal but
3 have not had a real chance to sit down and look in
4 detail at the submittal to make sure it meets
5 standard practices for block numbering and plat
6 notes, and we request that any consideration you
7 have for that be made.
8 Stand for questions.
9 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Any questions?
10 No questions.
11 We'd like to now open up the hearing to
12 the public, and we have a number of people who have
13 signed up to testify. I'll limit discussion to
14 three minutes each, and attempt to mix the
15 presentation between pro and con, so let's take the
16 first person, a Michael Hester.
17 Michael.
18 MICHAEL HESTER: Michael Hester -- oh.
19 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Do you swear to
20 tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
21 truth in the matter now before us?
22 MICHAEL HESTER: I do.
23 Michael Hester. 3950 West Night Hawk
24 Lane, Eagle. I live in the house right here, which
25 is right to the north. We have two -acre parcels
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3 like -- there's not much of a transition on that
4 north side there. I mean, we have two -acre lots
5 here. I know Henry's has two -acre lots. This is a
6 seven, this is five. Why is this dense acre -- or
7 you know, real small lots, and it looks like they
8 just put two token lots up there just to try to get
9 the minimum effect there, versus -- to me, a
10 transition says that you should start with a larger
11 lot, go down to a medium lot, and then go down to a
12 smaller lot instead of just putting two lots there
13 that say, Okay, this is our transition, and they go
14 immediately to .4 acres on everything else.
15 I mean, to me, the density still seems
16 high. I know they've said they've dropped it down,
17 but, you know, my feeling is -- and then you've
18 heard this from the prior meetings that we've gone
19 to is, you know, we feel that we got cheated out of
20 this -- our two -acre minimum there when the
21 comprehensive plan was changed last year, but -- I
22 won't go there, but if you truly want to do a
23 transition, I think there should be more buffering
24 around all the existing areas, you know, like I
25 said, from a larger lot to a medium to a small,
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5 the -- why this isn't transition over here. I mean,
6 the people over on this side have five -acre lots, or
7 something. There's a couple of, you know, people
8 that own property there, but we're still going to
9 these little tiny, tiny .4 acre lots or 17,000
10 square feet, and it doesn't seem like a transition.
11 That's it.
12 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
13 MICHAEL HESTER: Thank you.
14 COUNCIL MEMBER: Question.
15 COUNCIL MEMBER: Yes.
16 MICHAEL HESTER: Yes.
17 COUNCIL MEMBER: What would be the
18 appropriate size, in your opinion, of those two lots
19 up above?
20 MICHAEL HESTER: Well, leave those two
21 lots there, make these bigger lots, make these
22 like -- if these are like -- what were they, 1.7?
23 RONDO FEHLBERG: 1.7.
24 MICHAEL HESTER: Make these like about
25 1 -acre lots, and then go down to your half. I mean,
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2 COUNCIL MEMBER: So the ones -- going from
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4 RONDO FEHLBERG: Well, that's okay.
5 COUNCIL MEMBER: But, I mean, that's
6 almost like a --
7 MICHAEL HESTER: Up here, just have two
8 lots here, and then immediately having a -- having
9 small, small lots. I mean, we're going to be
10 setting a precedent here on this whole area by
11 this -- by developing this, and if you guys -- it
12 looks like you do this, it looks like everything
13 else that's going in in that whole area is going to
14 be half, or you know .4 -acre lots and jamming in
15 there.
16 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
17 Chad Moffat.
18 MR. MOFFAT: I'm okay.
19 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: You're okay?
20 MR. MOFFAT: Yeah.
21 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay. And then
22 Dustin Simpson.
23 MR. SIMPSON: I'll wait.
24 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Wait, as well.
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4 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Would you please
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6 LAYNE COLFED: I just quickly wanted to
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8 job in making the changes as asked for and as
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10 commend them from the way -- the way they've been --
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12 long process in this, and I --
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22 LAYNE COLFED: Yes.
23 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Name and address.
24 LAYNE COLFED: Layne Coifed (phonetic
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1 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay, go ahead.
2 LAYNE COLFED: Okay, well, I've said what
3 I wanted to say, and that is that they've been
4 through a tremendously long process, and I certainly
5 support their efforts and their diligence in making
6 the changes, trying to make it a great place.
7 I certainly think that, you know, there's
8 a notion out there that everybody around you has to
9 be the same size, and I certainly don't think that's
10 reality. I think there's -- there's a gentleman
11 here with a 14 -acre piece, and there's a lot of
12 2 -acre pieces around him.
13 I think there's bigger considerations as
14 far as the septic systems in the area and those
15 things that greatly affect our ground water. I
16 think all of those considerations need to be taken
17 into account here, and have been in this process, so
18 I certainly support their development.
19 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay, thank you.
20 Jeanine Hester.
21 JEANINE HESTER: (Inaudible).
22 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay. Do you
23 swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
24 but the truth in the matter before us?
25 JEANINE HESTER: Yes, I do.
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1 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: State your name
2 and address, please.
3 JEANINE HESTER: My name is Jeanine
4 Hester. I live at 3950 West Night Hawk Lane in
5 Eagle.
6 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
7 JEANINE HESTER: I am Michael's wife, and
8 I'm also concerned about the transition up there,
9 and I would like to see these two -- these acres
10 maybe combined to make one acre and one acre there,
11 and the same here, because from my house, when I
12 look out over here, I'm going to see a sea of black
13 roofs, and I don't want to see that.
14 I moved out there to get away from that.
15 I moved from a subdivision to the country for a
16 country feel, and you're taking that way. It's not
17 fair. I was there first. I don't want to see that.
18 I'm sorry, I know it's stupid sounding, maybe to you
19 developers, but to me, it's emotional. And I
20 really -- I just want you to know that I'm against
21 this density going in all around us.
22 And it's going to be regrettable in 15
23 years. I want to go on record as saying you're
24 going to regret this if you keep letting this
25 happen, and that's all I want to say.
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1 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay, thank you.
2 Richard at 1195. I can't read the street.
3 Richard or -- Jones? Can you -- Johns, maybe?
4 COUNCIL MEMBER: Anybody here named
5 Richard?
6 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Or Johns or have a
7 street address that begins with 1195?
8 Okay, you must not be here.
9 Okay. Let's take David Holt.
10 DAVID HOLT: (Inaudible).
11 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Pardon?
12 DAVID HOLT: No testimony. Okay.
13 And Becky Callister.
14 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole
15 truth and nothing but the truth in the matter now
16 before us?
17 BECKY CALLISTER: Yes.
18 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: State your name
19 and address, please.
20 BECKY CALLISTER: Becky Callister.
21 2873 Wind Drive. And Mr. Guerber, you hit it on the
22 head tonight when you said low density is what
23 people want. This plan is less dense than the
24 previous plan, but having a plan that's a little bit
25 better than a bad plan for the area doesn't make it
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7 was unanimously voted against by this --
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10 BECKY CALLISTER: So did my important
11 point make it on the record?
12 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Yes.
13 BECKY CALLISTER: Okay, thanks.
14 So if Moffat wasn't compatible here with
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16 makes this compatible when you have two acres, seven
17 acres, two acres, two acres, two acres, five acres
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21 people in this neighboring subdivisions were okay
22 with this, if not even endorsing this plan, and I
23 can't speak for everybody, but I know I haven't run
24 into anybody yet.
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3 millions literally invested in homes in this area,
4 and people came for that rural, country feel for the
5 low density.
6 When we came, before we built our home, we
7 came down to city hall, looked up the comp plan and
8 said we like this. We like the one -acre lots down
9 here, the two -acre lots here, the five -acre lots,
10 and we did our research before we invested in the
11 home and built it. And I know many other people
12 that did.
13 So now what's happening, now these
14 hundreds of millions of dollars are invested for
15 this feel, now everything is turning upside down on
16 us. It's kind of -- I know many people talked about
17 it, it's like a contract we feel we entered with the
18 city. Now we've kept our end of the deal, and then
19 the other side is not being kept, held up, and
20 there's -- this is all we can do about it right
21 here. And that's why we're here.
22 So anyway, I know there's other people
23 that are addressing some other points, but I want
24 you to remember that people came for this rural
25 feel. We like the low density. That's what we
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2 great for this area. It's still not compatible.
3 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay, thank you.
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4 COUNCIL MEMBER: Excuse me, can you tell
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6 BECKY CALLISTER: I'm in The Colony.
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8 BECKY CALLISTER: Down -- I'm within a
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13 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay.
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19 Dave Dumas. 3174 West Champagne, Eagle.
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2 subdivisions that are on the agenda tonight about a
3 diversity, that we need diversity, and that's why we
4 have the low density -- or high density proposals,
5 and that's the right thing for us. We've heard that
6 this is the trend across the country, this is a good
7 thing for us, and this is what we want.
8 So as I've gone through all of these
9 meetings, and I've lost track how many there's been
10 over that period of time, but I think I've counted
11 up one to two thousand homes of the high density
12 category, as we've described it, approved or -- at
13 least by Planning and Zoning, and in many cases by
14 this group.
15 I can only think of a couple that were
16 two- to five -acres that were approved during that
17 period of time, and that was usually someone
18 splitting their property.
19 So you talk about density, but I think --
20 or you talk about diversity, but I think that
21 you've -- you've got it all wrong, that the
22 diversity is really in the direction that has been
23 brought up by some of these -- these people tonight,
24 and we're moving away from the diversity, and
25 Eagle's an attractive place because of the
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1 diversity, and we're getting rid of all of it.
2 And by the approvals that we've been
3 seeing, and which continue, this is that pattern,
4 this is the trend that continues.
5 When Planning and Zoning discussed this
6 particular subdivision, they stated that we didn't
7 need such large lots. I didn't know that need was
8 part of the equation. We don't -- there's a lot of
9 things that we have that we don't need. I came in
10 here tonight and I looked in the parking lot, and we
11 don't need the large vehicles that we have, but we
12 have them. You know, we don't need as expensive of
13 a home as we have, but we have it. We could all
14 live in apartments, that's what we probably need,
15 but it's not what we want.
16 And so the argument about what we need --
17 and then they went on to argue about what's the
18 right size of transition, and it didn't sound like
19 much of a planning effort to me to -- right there to
20 decide, well, is a forty percent reduction or a
21 sixty percent reduction the right transition in
22 density? It didn't sound like a very professional
23 effort on their part to -- to consider it in that
24 way.
25 And you know, in New York, L.A., Chicago,
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1 the trend is towards smaller vehicles. Should we
2 all get smaller vehicles because that's the trend?
3 You know, do we all have to take on this diver- --
4 this low trans- -- this high density because
5 that's -- that's the trend? I think it's a faulty
6 argument.
7 We've heard arguments in support of this
8 that, well, I have a neighbor that doesn't take care
9 of their lawn, so obviously people that do that
10 don't deserve or shouldn't have a property this
11 size, disregarding the hundreds and hundreds of
12 beautifully manicured yards that were out there.
13 Okay?
14 We also heard that, Well, they pay too
15 much to have it done. That's ridiculous. They
16 shouldn't live on it if they can't take care of it
17 themselves.
18 Well, if that's the case, we should all be
19 riding a bike if we can't afford to do the brakes on
20 our own car or change the oil. I mean, these
21 arguments are absolutely ridiculous. Okay?
22 It comes down to the expectations that
23 people have, and I think that Becky Callister
24 brought that out well, that we have certain
25 expectations, and why did we deviate from that?
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1 second one was the size of the lots and that
2 transition. I've already talked about the
3 discussion that went on about transition.
4 And what's interesting is the Planning and
5 Zoning and seem to be out of step with what the
6 community wanted. When the citizens got up here and
7 said, This is what we want, because it was the
8 homeowners adjacent to this property that asked to
9 not have that path, to ask to have larger lots
10 there. They were shut down, and it was in the
11 discussion with Planning and Zoning.
12 I sat there and I listened to it. It was
13 frustrating to listen to. And then here we have the
14 developers who come back and are more in line with
15 what the homeowners asked for. You know, they --
16 they took out this area here to create more privacy
17 and they expanded the lots. They went against what
18 Planning and Zoning asked for. They were more in
19 harmony with the citizens than Planning and Zoning,
20 you know.
21 And so I'm -- I'm frustrated about these
22 things. I think it's wrong. I think it's a wrong
23 approach that we're dealing with. And what -- what
24 happened to our fixing the comprehensive plan? The
25 gentleman that was here for the previous
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1 subdivision, the one off Linder and Highway 44, he
2 made the comment, he specifically said that it was
3 the Eaglefield subdivision that they moved forward
4 when the comprehensive plan west of Linder moved
5 forward. Okay?
6 Well, this isn't west of Linder, and so
7 this whole confusion about what is in the
8 comprehensive plan, what's not in the comprehensive
9 plan continues.
10 The City Council made it a commitment to
11 address that. It didn't work out the first time,
12 and so what have we done? We've just dropped it,
13 and now we all have to live it, and you gentlemen
14 there were the ones that made that -- here tonight
15 made that commitment to us as citizens, and you
16 haven't seen it through. Okay.
17 I have a lot of things on my mind, but I
18 know there are people who would like to speak, but
19 that's how I feel. I do -- I do want to say that if
20 I had my way, we would go to what we had as a
21 reasonable expectation for this area, which was the
22 gross of two Praker (phonetic spelling).
23 I do think that Rondo and Bill and their
24 teams have made a good faith effort to try to meet
25 some of the homeowners' concerns. I know there are
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1 still concerns, but I think they've made a good
2 faith effort to address some of those concerns, even
3 at the expense of the direction from Planning and
4 Zoning.
5 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
6 COUNCIL MEMBER: Would you define high
7 density for me?
8 DAVE DUMAS: I think that it's relative to
9 the surrounding area. If I was living in downtown
10 Boise, I'd have a different perspective on what high
11 density is, so I guess you have to define that. I
12 think that when you share a driveway in Eagle, out
13 in West Eagle, not downtown Eagle, in West Eagle,
14 that's high density. Okay?
15 And that's what was proposed and approved
16 in the Eaglefield subdivision. Those people will be
17 sharing a driveway. To me, that is high density.
18 I did try at one point several meetings
19 ago to address -- give my impressions of gross
20 density, and the staff made it clear that that was a
21 very subjective topic, so I have to give you a
22 subjective answer.
23 COUNCIL MEMBER: Well, that's a discussion
24 we've had many times. I guess what -- you said
25 that, in keeping now what's going on, we have
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1 approved one to two thousand high-density
2 subdivisions --
3 DAVE DUMAS: No, homes.
4 COUNCIL MEMBER: -- or lots. Homes. And
5 so that's what's kind of -- I'm trying to think
6 back --
7 DAVE DUMAS: We have 1,100 on the agenda
8 tonight. I'm disregarding what we're talking about
9 here in Park Place, but we have 1,100 what I would
10 consider just on the agenda tonight.
11 COUNCIL MEMBER: 1,100 high-density
12 developments.
13 DAVE DUMAS: For West Eagle, in my
14 opinion.
15 COUNCIL MEMBER: Okay. And you seem to
16 indicate that you'd rather we kind of look at things
17 in an overall scale as opposed to as they come in
18 one at a time kind of a concept on this, and the
19 conclusion I seem to draw is that if we were to do
20 that for that whole area out there, and we looked at
21 the subdivision that Mrs. Callister lives in, for
22 example, we would have all one -acre lots out there,
23 if we took kind of approach as a --
24 DAVE DUMAS: Yeah, it's not necessarily
25 true. I mean, it comes down to a plan. I'll give
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3 at a different high school for each game, so we
4 criss-crossed the valley there, and we were assigned
5 to go to a high school over on the side of the city
6 that's developing. And as we got through there,
7 we're like, What are all these roads here? What
8 does all this lead to? And I mean, you had -- you
9 had roads, you had center dividers, you -- it was
10 all completely landscaped, it was completely
11 developed out, and there were no -- there was no
12 houses. Okay?
13 And they had completely developed this
14 area with infrastructure. You knew exactly what you
15 were going to get when you got there. It was well
16 planned out, and it was refreshing to see. And
17 where you finally came to the homes, it was a high
18 school out there, kind of in the middle of nowhere,
19 a few homes around it, but you could see where the
20 development was going to go. You could see that it
21 was prepared, traffic was considered, all that flow
22 was taken care of, so it kind of seemed overkill at
23 the time, but you could look out at into the future
24 and see what would happen.
25 So I think that -- that planning should be
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1 planning and, you know, we can make a better effort
2 to do that. To say we're just going to take each
3 one and we'll do the right thing and just trust us,
4 you know, doesn't give a lot of confidence, so . . .
5 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Any further
6 questions?
7 COUNCIL MEMBER: Would you say what has
8 happened out there has been inappropriate or
9 appropriate?
10 DAVE DUMAS: I'd say it hasn't been very
11 good planning. I mean, how much cooperation has
12 there been with the school? I mean, none of my kids
13 have their own school books. I mean, it's just
14 packed. All right?
15 And so does the school know about the
16 impact based on the change in the comprehensive
17 plan, and have they planned on it? Has the -- has
18 all the infrastructure planned on it and so and so
19 on.
20 I mean, you can go right down -- down the
21 list, and then compare that to what we saw when we
22 were at this subdivision that -- this area of Reno
23 that you could tell had really been planned. You
24 know, I mean, they -- you could tell they had
25 considered those things.
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1 Now, obviously financially there's
2 considerations, and we have to compete with Meridian
3 and Boise and Nampa for those funds for roads, but
4 that shouldn't put off our effort to make it happen.
5 I don't think it's an unreasonable thing.
6 COUNCIL MEMBER: I have a comment.
7 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Yes, go ahead.
8 COUNCIL MEMBER: I guess as a citizen you
9 can certainly express your views. Personally, I
10 find it a little be naive in terms of some of the
11 suggestions you make about -- you can disagree with
12 our decision. That's okay. But to say that we
13 don't work at the process I think is a -- is an
14 indiscretion that I'd like to challenge you on,
15 because I think you're making a mistake, and I'm not
16 sure you're --
17 DAVE DUMAS: Well, the City Council made a
18 commitment to fix the comprehensive plan, and it is
19 no different today than it was when that commitment
20 was made. And so -- so all I'm going by is -- is
21 what we're seeing from the actions.
22 And again, you know, I applaud the Park
23 Place developers for what they did. I don't agree
24 with everything in it, but applaud them for trying
25 to be more in line with what was requested at the
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2 changes that we requested that were then discussed
3 by Planning and Zoning which were not what the
4 homeowners did.
5 So they -- and Planning and Zoning, them
6 may come up and say, Oh, no, he's all wrong, but
7 that's how I heard it. That's what I heard. I was
8 sitting there.
9 COUNCIL MEMBER: My recollection --
10 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay.
11 COUNCIL MEMBER: -- was that we actually
12 did follow through. If we had not followed through,
13 there would have never been meetings, there would
14 have never been discussions.
15 DAVE DUMAS: But it's not done. It's not
16 changed.
17 COUNCIL MEMBER: That's right. But I'm
18 not sure that's the city's fault. I'm not sure
19 there will ever be a solution, because my
20 understanding is basically the people who live out
21 there are split a great deal on this. Those who
22 live in that area --
23 DAVE DUMAS: I know it's not an easy
24 process, but it was the city that made the
25 commitment to make the change, so it should be the
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1 city that commits to follow through. With
2 everybody's participation. I know it's not an easy
3 process.
4 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Gentlemen, I think
5 we're getting into an argumentative situation here,
6 and it's going beyond public testimony, so let's
7 move on.
8 DAVE DUMAS: I have no further comments.
9 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Bob Vaughn.
10 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole
11 truth and nothing but the truth in the matter now
12 before us?
13 BOB VAUGHN: I do.
14 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Please state your
15 name and address.
16 BOB VAUGHN: It's Bob Vaughn.
17 4026 Brave -- West Braveheart Lane in Eagle, and I
18 live right across the street from this proposed
19 subdivision in Braveheart -- or Loch Lomond.
20 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Could you indicate
21 by pointing to it.
22 BOB VAUGHN: I believe it would be right
23 around -- right around here or here.
24 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay.
25 BOB VAUGHN: Loch Lomond Estates.
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1 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay, thank you.
2 BOB VAUGHN: I just want to echo some
3 things that were already well put. I attended the
4 City Council meeting several months ago when the
5 proposed Moffat subdivision got unanimously put
6 down, and as was already pointed out, some of the
7 language at the time used by City Council was that
8 we were parachuting in a subdivision into an area
9 that was already established that was definitely
10 inconsistent with that area.
11 And if you do the math, this is a 95 -acre,
12 approximately, piece of land. If it retained the
13 previous zoning of the Ada County, you would have
14 approximately 50 homes on that acreage. Instead,
15 we're proposing here 112, so that's over double the
16 density. And I would submit that that is not
17 consistent with the surrounding area, and I think if
18 we were to approve this tonight, we would owe
19 Mr. Moffat an apology, because the same logic would
20 not be consistently applied.
21 I also think that just because we put,
22 quote, transition lots around the perimeter doesn't
23 make up for high density in the middle. It still is
24 going to increase the traffic on Park Lane, which is
25 now the major point of entry and exit, probably to
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4 don't want those through streets. I wouldn't
5 either. But for those of us who live on Park, it's
6 now all coming our way. And so no matter how you
7 slice it, it's putting way more traffic on these
8 surrounding roads.
9 I would also say one thing that was also
10 brought up at that meeting was the fact that the
11 developers understandably appeal to the
12 Soaring 20/25 plan and saying that they're being
13 consistent with it, but it was also, I think,
14 well -articulated at that meeting that for whatever
15 reason, and it's not the city's fault, those public
16 hearings for the Soaring 20/25 plan were never
17 well -attended.
18 The vast majority of the citizens in
19 West Eagle never even knew about those meetings, so
20 I would hesitate to say that that is the expressed
21 will of the citizens. That is why so much has been
22 said about that plan needing to be readdressed. I
23 think the average homeowner out there was shocked to
24 find out that that was rezoned to half acres.
25 It was also pointed out at that meeting
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1 that that is a guideline. We don't have to go to
2 half acre average. It can go up to half an acre,
3 but that doesn't mean it has to go that far.
4 So I think consistent with previous
5 rulings, we need to keep this area consistent and
6 not parachute in a much higher density development
7 of this kind. And I understand these men have put a
8 lot of time and money into this, but that's not a
9 reason to approve it.
10 I think the legacy that we are in danger
11 of having in this part of Eagle is leaving future
12 generations gridlocked, and I would just echo what
13 everybody said. That's not what we all wanted in
14 this area, and I think we need to go back to a more
15 consistent zoning.
16 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
17 Mike Huffaker (phonetic spelling).
18 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole
19 truth and nothing but the truth in the matter now
20 before us?
21 MICHAEL HUFFAKER: I do.
22 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: State your name
23 and address, please.
24 MICHAEL HUFFAKER: Michael Huffaker. I
25 live at 1753 North Chaucer Way, which is in
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2 I generally am in agreement with all those
3 who are against this project. I'll just say that to
4 begin with.
5 The gentleman who spoke earlier regarding
6 the Eaglefield Estates that was against that
7 project, I didn't necessarily agree with him that we
8 should but a moratorium on all building in Eagle,
9 but I did in general agree with what he was saying,
10 that our current road infrastructure is totally
11 incapable of handling all this new development that
12 we're approving, and specifically in this area,
13 anyone who lives near Park, Floating Feather,
14 Meridian around rush hour or the time that school is
15 getting in or out, which in the morning coincide,
16 knows what a disaster this is already, and
17 essentially we're just asking to make it a lot
18 worse.
19 I do want to go over -- I have similar
20 feelings about the process of how we got to this
21 place tonight as well, and I've been very frustrated
22 with the process. I, like many others, moved to
23 this area, I moved here a couple of years ago with
24 the idea that we were told by our realtor that this
25 was an area that would remain always two acres from
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2 think we thought it was Highway 16. And that's why
3 we moved there. We've loved the area.
4 In about June or July of this last year is
5 when we first found out about Park Place
6 subdivision, and of course at the time, it was
7 planned for 192 units, and our initial thought, like
8 everyone else who lived in this area was how can
9 they do that. That's not possible. That would be
10 against the current comp plan and zoning.
11 And it was only then that we found out the
12 comprehensive plan had been changed. And I can tell
13 you that that sentiment is held almost unanimously
14 throughout all these subdivisions that surround us.
15 That would be Henry's North Forty, Cavallo,
16 Canterbury, The Colony, and really anybody else
17 except for the developers that participated in
18 changing the comprehensive plan because they were
19 the only ones who did this. We weren't there.
20 And you know, I went back through my file,
21 I have a whole file on this, and was looking at that
22 original notice that came out, and sure enough, you
23 read it, it talks about the area west of Linder and
24 north of Highway 44. It never does talk about this
25 area. So as has been mentioned before at many other
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1 hearings, and again tonight, we all felt somewhat
2 cheated and that we've been treated unfairly in the
3 process.
4 Once we found out about Park Place, the
5 original Park Place, we as a community started
6 having our own meetings. We had a number of them,
7 and -- which resulted also in us hiring an attorney,
8 spending lots of money and lots of time at our own
9 meetings to prepare for all of the initial meetings
10 regarding Park Place and Moffat subdivision.
11 I can tell you, and actually I told this
12 to you personally after the Moffat hearing, that
13 there was great paranoia amongst almost everyone,
14 that this was already a done deal and there was
15 nothing we could about it, but we were all so upset
16 about it, we were determined to try.
17 And there was a great deal of paranoia
18 that we weren't going to be able to make a change to
19 this, and when the Moffat hearing was held, and that
20 subdivision was turned down, there was a real
21 feeling of elation, and also that the City Council
22 had renewed trust in us for them.
23 And my feeling, like has been expressed by
24 others here tonight, was that there was a commitment
25 made to try to fix this problem.
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1 Now, I realize in the argument that's
2 already ensued that essentially the city is saying,
3 well, we did try to fix it. But what happened in
4 those hearings regarding the comprehensive plan is
5 essentially what got proposed was an amendment that
6 none of the people liked. And it was the only
7 amendment we had a choice of.
8 So basically what we got stuck with was
9 the amendment or back to the original plan, which we
10 didn't like either, so we had a meeting in which --
11 we didn't even know which way to argue at that
12 meeting that night because nobody liked any of it
13 and we just got stuck with it, so . .
14 But what we didn't get out of that
15 process, when we thought we were supposed to talk
16 and compromise, was something that we wanted which
17 was something much closer to the original
18 designation, the comprehensive plan of one unit per
19 two acres.
20 And I think we all feel like what we
21 should have done way back then was had some sort of
22 court action in which we could have decided whether
23 the notice was -- would have really given us due
24 process and gone back to -- and somehow had it
25 reverted legally back to the one unit per two acres.
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2 certainly something we should think about.
3 The current proposal of the 92 units comes
4 out to about 1.2 units per acre as opposed to what
5 we have now, which is about a half a unit per acre,
6 so it's still 2.4 times the density of everything
7 that's surrounding it.
8 And I agree with all of those others who
9 have said that these few transitional lots don't
10 really change what the nature of this community is,
11 and that is that it's a high density community
12 parachuted in to the middle of a bunch of
13 subdivisions where we all have two acre lots.
14 As far as specific things about this plan,
15 I notice also that there was talk about changing the
16 nature of the road that goes into Cavallo, and I'm
17 not sure how that -- why that's going to stop
18 anybody from driving down it, whether they change
19 the type of gravel or cement or something.
20 But essentially, I was looking at that,
21 and there's 30 units out of this lot that are served
22 by that road. Cavallo itself is only 27 units all
23 by itself, so they would more than double the amount
24 that that would become their major arterial to get
25 out to -- to Floating Feather.
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1 And if you've driven through our
2 subdivisions, you know we have no sidewalks, and we
3 have very little traffic right now, because we have
4 very few houses, so our kids have to ride on the --
5 ride their bikes on the street. When we go out for
6 our walks, we walk in the street.
7 And you're essentially saying, well, we're
8 going to go ahead and put all this traffic
9 through -- and I -- and I -- that is an accident
10 waiting to happen. I mean, that is asking for a
11 fatality, this plan here. And it'll happen some
12 day. You know, some teenager is going to come out
13 of there, and a number of them I'm sure will every
14 day, but some day, they're going to kill a kid in
15 that -- in Cavallo.
16 There was some testimony earlier about how
17 this was sort of a -- this plan was sort of a
18 meeting of the minds of the developers and the
19 community. And I just want to state that that's not
20 correct. This was not a compromise regarding --
21 between the community and the developers.
22 This essentially was really a plan that --
23 the heart of the plan was the city staff and the
24 developers, but this did not represent a meeting of
25 the minds of the people surrounding this subdivision
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1 and the developers. That just didn't happen.
• 2 As far as the -- there are also -- the
3 other issue that was raised is that there was a
4 split between what we wanted as neighbors to this
5 development. Well, the only split that there exists
6 is that those who are living there already on
7 two -acre parcels and want to stay there forever
8 don't agree with those who have large parcels and
9 are planning on selling them and leaving. I mean,
10 those are the ones who are just fine with this new
11 zoning. But essentially, the residents who already
12 live there are almost unanimously against this.
13 In conclusion, I just want to say that
14 the -- I think a vote in favor of this proposal is
15 essentially a vote in favor of a -- a fail to
16 compromise, and also it's a vote in favor of
17 reinstating the distrust and the lost faith that we
18 were feeling as a community toward the City Council.
19 I think that's going to just fall all right back
20 where it started, and we're all going to feel like
21 our input never really meant anything to begin with.
22 I think it's a vote in favor of telling us
23 don't get involved. I think it's a vote in favor of
24 telling us we're going to use a process to
25 discourage you and make you feel helpless, because
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1 that's the way we feel right now. Essentially, it's
2 a vote in favor of changing what should never have
3 been changed in the first place.
4 This should have been one unit per two
5 acres when it was originally changed in the
6 comprehensive plan. That may have been legally in
7 violation of due process, but at least morally and
8 ethically it was unfair to all of us.
9 That's all I have to say.
10 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
11 Chris Palmer.
12 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole
13 truth and nothing but the truth in the matter now
14 before us?
15 CHRIS PALMER: I do. I do.
16 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Please state your
17 name and address.
18 CHRIS PALMER: Chris Palmer. 2325 North
19 Corsey Way, Eagle. I live right there. I'm in
20 Henry's North Forty. I am against this project for
21 the reasons previously stated. But if that doesn't
22 sway you, then please consider this. The elevations
23 in our subdivision, in Henry's, are considerably
24 higher, and we look down on this. And with these
25 transition lots here, they're not really transition.
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2 And I'm going to be looking, along with
3 three of my other neighbors, into 60 roofs. So this
4 elevation, I wish you would give some consideration
5 to at least maybe enlarging these lots. And right
6 here, they made big lots, but we only have two homes
7 that border them.
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10 home here, but he's two stories. He's going to be
11 looking down on all of this, as well, once his house
12 gets built. I mean, it's under construction right
13 now.
14 My neighbor right next to me, he's got two
15 stories, he's looking down on all these. And
16 another thing that you're doing by allowing this is
17 this is going to get developed and sold, and it will
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6 ELAINE PALMER: (Inaudible).
7 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay. Crystal
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10 truth and nothing but the truth in the matter now
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12 CRYSTAL MENIPHEE: I do.
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13 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Please state your
14 name and address.
15 CRYSTAL MENIPHEE: My name is Crystal
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17 I was going to give my
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19 tonight, but I've abandoned that. I'm going to try
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21 story. 1 wanted to congratulate The Planning and
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23 worry about the elephant. You brought the whole
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3 attended and been drug out through all of this
4 process that you've heard about over month over
5 month over holidays.
6 The city mapping session where Ms. Nicole
7 Spencer Baird, I believe, ends up with a big marker
8 drawing her wishes and dreams on the maps. It was a
9 lesson and a training in futility.
10 What you are doing is in -filling. You're
11 taking an area that is surrounded by like properties
12 and in -filling it in a very inappropriate way.
13 You've agreed with that on Moffat, but you're not
14 agreeing with it here.
15 And how are we chained performers?
16 Because we're chained to a dream, to a promise that
17 you originally gave us. And that's all we have is a
18 chain dream now because of this three-ring circus
19 that we feel we have drug through.
20 So I guess it's easier to in -fill and to
21 deal with the trained, chained performers than have
22 to reach out to the property that hasn't been
23 developed out in Star and have to fight with their
24 City Council members to where there is not existing
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5 th circus to us and that I don't have to give you
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OR 7 right thing. Do your Ada County plan. Make your
8 constituents happy. Break our chains. You have the
pm 9 power to do it. I'm sorry for the developers.
10 I'm sorry for their loss of money, but I
p° 11 feel more sorry for the loss of the quality of life
12 and loss of my money and others out there, on the
13 amount of money we put into our properties on
14 chained dreams. Don't make a mistake, because
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17 need to slow down and look at what you're doing. I
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19 your job. That's what you're elected to do, and
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22 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
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24 testify?
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1 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole
2 truth and nothing but the truth in the matter now
3 before us?
4 CHAD MOFFAT: I do.
5 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Please state your
6 name and address.
7 CHAD MOFFAT: I'm Chad Moffat. My address
8 is 1842 South Lakemoor in Eagle, Idaho.
9 I actually wasn't going to testify
10 tonight, but as I'm sitting there listening to a lot
11 of what's going on and a lot of what's being said,
12 I -- I guess I'm kind of halfway chuckling at some
13 of the things that are said, and I'm not trying to
14 be rude in that assessment either, but it's
15 interesting as I hear somebody from -- and I don't
16 want to mention names, but from certain subdivisions
17 talking about changes in their density.
18 My dad originally put in Redwood, which
19 most of you know about, ten to fifteen years ago.
20 Two -acre lots, heavily fought. Okay. Colony, when
21 it went in, it was very heavily fought. I know,
22 because my brother had a five -acre lot right where
23 it comes out, and they came right out into his
24 five -acre lot.
25 You know, but he said, hey, he tried to
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2 density, you have to have certain changes. And a
3 lot of it is in perspective of what you think the
4 density should be.
5 You know, it's interesting, I've gotten to
6 know, and I -- hopefully they don't mind of I use
7 their name a little bit, and hopefully they're not
8 beat up, I've gotten to know the Betts quite a bit,
9 and I was actually over at their house talking to
10 them a little while ago, and we walked to the front
11 door, and we looked over towards Callaway -- or
12 Cavallo, excuse me.
13 And it was interesting, the comment, I
14 can't remember if it was Mr. Betts or Mrs. Betts,
15 but they made a comment of the sea of rooftops. In
16 Cavallo. Okay? They're two -acre houses, but yet,
17 to them, on their five -acre piece, which was there
18 fifteen or twenty years before everybody else, it's
19 a sea of rooftops, you know.
20 And I guess it's just -- I kind of laughed
21 as I left, and I thought, you know, how true. From
22 their vision, what they're looking at, they're
23 seeing a lot of these same people that are
24 complaining about what is happening, they already
25 saw it. It's already happened to them, and now the
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1 newer subdivisions are coming in and are saying,
2 well, wait a minute, we're here now. We don't want
3 anybody else to be here.
4 And it's just a -- really a struggle for
5 me. I had a wonderful place, grew up in -- around
6 here, had a wonderful place up in McCall, Idaho.
7 You know what? I loved it there. Beautiful place.
8 And I would have loved to have kept Tamarack out of
9 it. I would have loved to have kept the thousands
10 of people that are building cabins out of there.
11 But you know what? It's a wonderful, beautiful
12 place, and people want to live there. People want
13 to do that.
14 Eagle is the same way. It's a beautiful
15 place. A half acre lot, I looked at that Park Place
16 has done, and to be honest with you, I am in awe at
17 what they have done. They have given up a lot.
18 They have done what I call compromise. They went to
19 these meetings, they listened to what the people
20 have said, and they compromised with them. I have
21 yet to hear anybody else compromising back.
22 Compromise means both sides give some.
23 I'm looking at what they've done and what they've
24 given and the lots they've given up. They're at 1.1
25 acre density right now.
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2 them or anything else, but I just want to
3 congratulate them, and I don't even know them. But
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4 I am amazed at that they've done. I think it's a
5 beautiful subdivision of what they've put together,
6 and I believe they have compromised and given a lot.
7 And hopefully that's taken into account.
8 But again, I think a lot of that area is
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10 unfortunately, I think no matter what happens,
am 11 nobody's going to be happy with the changes. And
12 you -- you have some great developments going in,
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14 some stuff forward.
15 I -- I hear a lot of times -- I hear the
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17 what? The developers are coming in, we're following
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19 We're following recommendations that were given to
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21 have been given to us by Planning and Zoning. And
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23 trying to make things fit.
24 And we're looking around, and fortunately
,.,, 25 we see a lot more things happening. We see what
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3 of half acre. There are a lot of half -acre lots
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5 probably on that area where -- that's around those
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7 like to be changed, and I think you're going to see
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10 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Yes.
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12 truth and nothing but the truth in the matter now
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14 DUSTIN SIMPSON: Dustin Simpson.
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15 3664 Tabasco Trail. I live on the five -acre piece
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17 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay.
00 18 DUSTIN SIMPSON: At the risk of having my
19 friends -- I've got some close friends here tonight,
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21 I personally, when this whole thing came up, I tried
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2 acres, when I bought this five acres, my intention
3 from day one was to split it. Granted, it was to
4 split it in half and to create a two -acre lot,
5 because at the time, that's all I could do.
6 But I never bought the property intending
7 to keep a five -acre lot. And so through this whole
8 thing, I've had to battle that, you know, as an
9 investment. The higher the density gets, the more
10 valuable my property becomes, and that's why I
11 bought it.
12 I love living in the area. I love living
13 in Eagle. When this whole thing came up, the city
14 said, you know, okay, maybe we jumped the gun, or
15 maybe this is a little too much. Maybe 190 homes is
16 parachuting us in, but we'd like to try to make
17 everybody happy. And so I came to the meetings
18 thinking, you know, this would be positive and, you
19 know, this will be good.
20 And I was very impressed with -- with
21 Mayor Merrill. And she stood up at the first
22 meeting and said, Look, we have an opportunity here
23 to make a difference, to make a change, and
24 hopefully, you know, to find a middle ground.
25 She said, you know, the definition of
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2 just like I believe it was Chad said everybody give
3 a little.
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5 that -- with that thought, that okay, this was a
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7 homeowners association presidents and developers,
8 and we all sat together.
9 And the thing I was most surprised at was
10 the lack of compromise from everybody that owned
11 two -acre lots. And it was only then that I started,
12 you know, coming to the realization that this is not
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14 going to happy unless it stays two -acre
15 subdivisions.
16 And it was only then that I started to
17 wake up and think, wait a second this is -- truly
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19 came in from 190 homes down to 112 homes, that was a
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5 subdivisions we put in, the more stringent the City
6 of Eagle is because they want to create a greater
7 community, and I can understand that.
8 But I drive through Cavallo, I drive
9 through -- Henry's North Forty is right in my
10 backyard, and I drive through Canterbury. There's
11 no walking paths. There's no community areas that I
12 can see. There's no common areas, there's no public
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13 gardens, there's not -- you know, I think there's a
14 pool in The Colony. But I drive through Cavallo and
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16 are are 1.8 acre lots. Nothing else.
17 Well, and they're beautiful homes. I
""' 18 mean, don't get me wrong, they are beautiful
19 subdivisions. But as this -- as the development
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21 subdivisions, I remember hearing in a personal
22 conversation with the mayor, her saying, We're
23 asking developers to think outside the box. Don't
24 bring us a piece of paper with a bunch of 1 acre,
25 1.8 acre lots on it.
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2 do that, they have to come up with these walking
3 paths, with these common areas which greatly reduces
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7 have recently annexed into Eagle so that I could
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1.0 9 minimum. And before that, I'm sure ten acres was
10 the minimum, and at some point in time it was
"' 11 twenty.
12 I mean, we've heard this before, but my
13 perception, and moving from a much higher dense area
14 than Eagle, my perception is if I want a two -acre
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16 two -acre lots. If I want a one -acre lot, I move
17 into a subdivision of surrounding one -acre lots.
18 That way I live in a community, really, a small
19 community of common neighbors, of houses that are
20 similar to mine.
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23 think, you know, people who want -- it's gives the
24 people opportunity to have everything they want.
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2 that they paid for this land, and it's a whole --
3 the economics of land in Eagle is a whole other
4 subject, but when they paid for this land, they were
5 assuming that they were paying to get two lots per
6 acre or two units per acre.
7 If they were to have to create two -acre
8 lots today for the price that they paid --
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10 (Beginning of electronic recording).
11 DUSTIN SIMPSON: And during one of these
12 sessions, these workshop sessions, and I said -- I
13 tried to explain to her from a developer's eye the
14 economics of that, and these two -acre lots would be
15 running at a million dollars. And she, Well, I want
16 to live in a community of million dollar lots. And
17 I said, Okay, all right, but not everybody does.
18 And that's all I have to say. I hope my
19 friends still like me. And I honestly can see their
20 point. I -- that's why it's been so long for me to
21 take a stance. And I appreciate your time.
22 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
23 Is there anyone else who would like to
24 testify?
25 Yes.
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1 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole
2 truth and nothing but the truth in the matter now
3 before us?
4 LYNN PROCTOR: Yes, sir.
5 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Please state your
6 name and address.
7 LYNN PROCTOR: Lynn Proctor. 3665 West
8 Tabasco Trail. And I know it's getting late, so I'm
9 really going to try to stay to the three-minute
10 deal, but a couple things that I want to bring out
11 is that I've been a resident here for 22 years. My
12 wife was born and raised right here in this town.
13 And we've had to experience a lot of changes over
14 those years, and you know, it's not that long ago
15 that The Colony, Cavallo, Loch Lomond, Canterbury,
16 Henry's North Forty, they were all farmland.
17 We've all had to watch them grow and
18 expand and develop and everything, and just kind of
19 taking it with a grain of salt, whereas a lot of the
20 new people that are -- that live in these
21 subdivisions now, they had a different zip code, you
22 know, a year ago. And they like the subdivisions
23 they're in now, but they don't want to see any other
24 changes.
25 Well, 15 years ago, we kind of liked it
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4 So there's some things that -- that's
5 happened that's right next my place that I really
6 want to bring up that -- it's more of a personal
7 deal, but I mean, it's happened, and I've had to
8 experience it.
9 And some of the things is -- this is my
10 place here, and when -- when I bought this, the
11 subdivision right here next to me, they thought that
12 there should be a buffer that was between me and
13 them. And so we come to the meetings and we come to
14 this agreement that this grass piece right here
15 that's 35 feet long, and you know, about 500 feet
16 long with twenty 12 -foot trees, that was my buffer.
17 I had to put it in to satisfy those people.
18 So then I build my house, I live there a
19 couple of years, and this field sells right here.
20 Well, I knew the guy that owned the field, and I
21 figured he'd be the last guy to sell out, so I set
22 my house right back as close to that field as I
23 could. Well, he was one of the first ones, you
24 know. No big deal.
25 So I come to the meetings. And all I'm
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3 right there in the backyard, and now I've got a
4 neighbor right here, you know.
5 And I've had to experience that change. I
6 mean, I used to be able to go outside and do
7 anything I wanted to do, and now I've got -- there's
8 four lots that back right up to my place.
9 And so, I mean, as much as anybody, I've
10 experienced this change, and I think everybody
11 that's here that lives in that area needs to
12 experience this change. You know, that's why the
13 new comprehensive plan was adopted, and I think that
14 the developers on this project have done a good job
15 to -- to stay within those guidelines, and really, I
16 don't even think they pushed the matter, because if
17 they pushed it, I think legally they probably even
18 could have gone with smaller lots.
19 That's about all I have to say.
20 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
21 LYNN PROCTOR: Thanks.
22 COUNCIL MEMBER: So no more skinny dipping
23 is what you're saying.
24 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Is there anyone
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1 Yes, go ahead, come on up.
2 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole
3 truth and nothing but the truth in the matter now
4 before us?
5 DOUG HAGAMIER: Certainly.
6 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you. State
7 your name and address, please.
8 DOUG HAGAMIER: My name is Doug Hagamier
9 (phonetic spelling). I live on 3530 West Fieno in
10 Cavallo, so I live right here. So obviously I'm one
11 of the more affected homeowners on the south side.
12 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Is there a stub
13 street right there?
14 DOUG HAGAMIER: Yes. Yes, it's Caretto.
15 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: And had that been
16 marked as a future --
17 DOUG HAGAMIER: Oh, yes.
18 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay, thank you.
19 DOUG HAGAMIER: Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So
20 when I bought the property, I certainly knew that
21 future development would happen. And I don't think
22 anybody, in Cavallo anyway, ever dreamed that it
23 would stay a cornfield forever. But obviously I did
24 buy with the expectation that it was going to be
25 two -acre lots north of us, not, you know, some
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2 You know, comprehensive plan at that time,
3 which was less than two years ago when I bought the
4 property, you know, was that it was two -acre lots.
5 I won't go into all the whining that we have all
6 done about why and how the comprehensive plan got
7 changed, and there have been mentioned I suppose,
8 that maybe it was not legally. And perhaps it was.
9 I'm sure that it was. I won't argue with your city
10 attorney that it wasn't done legally.
11 But I will contend that it wasn't done
12 fairly. You know, I was a property owner at the
13 time. I received no notification. Now, I wasn't
14 living there during those times, but I had a mailbox
15 and a forwarding address, and I should have gotten
16 some notice. But again, I won't -- that's not why
17 I'm up here to complain about.
18 But we were talking about -- I think
19 Mr. Dumas was talking about having a big -picture
20 plan. Well, that was the big -picture plan, you
21 know, that this was going to be five -acre lots up
22 there, and this was going to be two -acre lots north
23 of Floating Feather. And that's what we -- that's
24 what we bought into was the big picture. And you
25 know, the big picture got changed kind of underneath
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2 that.
3 We were talking about -- someone was
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4 saying, you know, we keep adding homes, but it --
5 and the repercussions are, you know, increased
6 traffic and the school situations and things like
7 that. Well -- and, you know, I think one of your
8 comments was it's not your job to make sure that the
9 roads are adequate because that's the county that
10 has to take care of that.
11 Well, I think it is your job to make sure,
12 though, that the -- that the city services,
13 including the roads, and things like that, are
14 adequate to meet -- to meet the plan. And if that's
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15 putting the pressure on the county or figuring out
,m 16 how to do it or waiting until the solution is at
17 least proposed with a timeline before we do that,
°" 18 because truly, the roads are a mess at peak traffic
19 times, and if you lived out there or watched it
20 happen, you would know.
21 You know, and then it's we that suffer.
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25 the reason we all moved out there was the country
22 It's your constituents that suffer. You know, the
23 schools certainly are overcrowded. You know that.
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2 Obviously, your citizens are being compromised, and
3 we're suffering for that.
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5 having things get changed out from under his feet,
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8 because he got burned by having four -acre -- or four
"'a 9 lots in his backyard, I don't think that that's
10 really what you want to have done. I don't think
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11 that that's the right -- the right methodology.
12 I think Mr. Guerber said that the people
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14 again, I haven't made a -- an absolutely 100 percent
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,■„ 16 much say that everybody in Cavallo, everybody in
17 Canterbury, everybody in Henry's North Forty,
18 everybody in Loch Lomond, everybody up here,
19 everybody in -- what's that one right up here?
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21 which is 90 percent of 95 percent of the residents
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23 are really split are people that might probably
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3 treated fairly. It wasn't -- the plan wasn't
4 changed in a way that we believe is fair. Please
5 treat us fairly, and let's make this, you know, a
6 lower density situation out there.
7 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Anyone else?
8 Yes, please come forward.
9 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole
10 truth and nothing but the truth in the matter now
11 before us?
12 FORD ROGANY: I do.
13 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Please state your
14 name and address.
15 FORD ROGANY: Ford Rogany (phonetic
16 spelling). Business address, 175 South Rosebud Lane
17 in Eagle. And I apologize, I didn't take any note.
18 I wasn't actually planning to come. I just returned
19 from an overseas trip, so I'm 12 hours ahead of
20 everybody else here and half asleep. I didn't take
21 any notes.
22 I'm also not going to try to make you guys
23 feel guilty about blaming everything on the City
24 Council and what you guys did to us.
25 I've been going to just about every
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2 everywhere else for the past, at least, three years.
3 And of course, the comprehensive plan that was
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10 was forty and then twenty and ten and five and two,
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17 of the people that cry and yell and scream about the
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21 are some of them, their house is not even finished.
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23 should have gone and talked someone and look at
24 their existing comprehensive plan that this is R-2
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2 Lots of the surrounding areas, also
3 (inaudible), and some of those people already spoke,
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5 so some of them that refer this is larger lots, the
6 owners has the intention to subdivide it, and it's
7 not going to stay larger lots forever.
8 The thing is these properties originally,
°■ 9 you remember, originally came with 192 lots, and the
10 current developer took a hard look at it, lots of
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12 percent reduction and going way beyond the city
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14 And they've done an excellent job, and of
15 course, some of the areas, like Loch Lomond and some
16 other ones, they want it to go for two units, but
17 (inaudible) the only reasons they couldn't because
18 of their sewer at that time. That was not
19 available. It couldn't come, and the developer was
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20 in a rush to get the job done and get his money out
21 and move somewhere else.
22 So there's lots of details behind
23 everything that has been done in the past and what's
24 going on now that probably people are not aware of
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ma7 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
8 Is there anyone else who would like to
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10 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Are we allowed to
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12 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Not rebuttal, no.
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13 But the developer is. The developer makes the
14 initial statement, and then it, based upon
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15 testimony, has the opportunity to reflect upon that
,,,m 16 testimony. And so that's where we are right now, is
17 we're at the point of the developer having an
ma 18 opportunity to make a closing statement. And
19 hopefully they'll -- the developer will keep this
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20 concise, but that's not required.
21 RONDO FEHLBERG: Thank you. I'm Rondo
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22 Fehlberg appearing again for the developer. You've
23 been very patient, and we appreciate your patience
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8 plan like that, a certain element of fairness, we
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10 with the previous applicant with respect to
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12 and certainly expect similar kind of treatment in
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14 council. That's what we've come to expect. That's
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15 why we went through the wrenching process we've been
16 through.
17 We're disappointed that -- that we've
01 18 heard a lot of things that -- that surprise us a
19 little this evening, because in some cases, it came
20 from people with whom we had made significant
21 compromises, and in the end, we see that even that
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23 compromise short of the status quo will satisfy
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3 water, the problem of continued city services at
4 that level over time, when everything flows downhill
5 is, I think, something that -- that the Planning
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7 and I think also was part of the comprehensive plan
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10 is simply do the best you can to filter through
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12 been easy, and I shouldn't make harder by
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14 that -- that you've been through in trying to hear
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15 all this, and for the fairness with which you've
du 16 heard our application.
17 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Thank you.
"R 18 We've come to the time where we need to
19 close the public hearing. I can't make eye contact
20 with our legal counsel. She's -- there she is.
21 I believe that I am acting appropriately
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23 been given an opportunity to speak and a closing
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1 COUNCIL MEMBER GUERBER: Could I --
2 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: -- consideration.
3 Just a minute.
4 And so right before I close the public
5 hearing, it looks like Councilor Guerber would like
6 to --
7 COUNCIL MEMBER GUERBER: Which I don't you
8 to do.
9 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay.
10 COUNCIL MEMBER GUERBER: My recollection
11 is that one of the requests that was made by staff
12 was that they have a chance to look at the
13 adjustments that have already been made in this most
14 recent proposal, and that -- to be able to respond
15 to several things, a relocation of the pathway from
16 what we've looked at, some adjustments in lot sizes
17 and locations, and I think if we close the public
18 hearing, we won't have a chance to hear from them
19 after they've had a chance to look at this if we
20 continue this to the next council meeting. Is that
21 correct, or am I wrong about that?
22 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Susan?
23 SUSAN: I'm going to ask Bill and Nicole.
24 They've reviewed this. It appears, from my review
25 of the changes, they don't appear to be significant
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4 SUSAN: All right.
5 NICOLE BAIRD SPENCER: My --
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8 NICOLE BAIRD SPENCER: My request was just
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10 that if the council is comfortable with these
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12 that I can make sure that we get the lot and block
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14 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: So we need to
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17 SUSAN: Right. That would be more of a
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19 lot and block are -- conforms with -- with what
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21 NICOLE BAIRD SPENCER: The lot and block
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23 .SUSAN: Right, and that would be -- those
24 would be clerical things.
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8 because of the reduction of the lots, the increase
9 in the lot sizes from the last plan that you had
10 before you, it appears there is not a material
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12 District Court in the State of Idaho, so . .
1 they're reducing lot sizes, reducing the lot size
2 numbers, and moving like pathways and roadways, we
3 do look at whether those -- those movements have a
4 material change to an impact, a greater impact or
5 greater intensity of impact to especially the
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14 Any further questions before I close the
15 hearing?
a■ 16 I will not close the public hearing and
17 bring the matter back to the council for debate and
18 action.
19 MR. BANDY: Do you want me to start again?
20 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Mr. Bandy.
21 MR. BANDY: I can certainly do that. I --
22 just a few things. First of all, I -- the
23 discussion tonight's really a good opportunity to
24 highlight some of the differences between
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1 Staff does a great job at advising both
2 the council and the commission. The commission
3 really is bound by city ordinance, city code, comp
4 plan, prescriptions, and a lot of the efforts that
5 the commission makes really are within that context,
6 and they really don't have a lot of discretion.
7 More often that not, when we get to the
8 end, and we do recommend either approval or denial
9 to City Council, we talk to the developers and let
10 them know that it would be to their benefit to work
11 with the surrounding folks of that development.
12 And you know, they have another
13 opportunity to come before City Council, if anything
14 can be reconciled between the Planning and Zoning
15 and City Council, all the better.
16 So in this instance, it sounds to me like
17 they did that. The proposal early on was to
18 potentially move that pathway, if that was amendable
19 to folks, and it looks like they did that. They
20 made some other changes that both the folks in the
21 area, neighboring adjacent properties requested, and
22 that the Planning and Zoning had recommended, as
23 well.
24 That's the only other comment I would make
25 on that particular point is that both the council
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2 in mind the desires of the entire community. This
3 is one area, and one very important area of the
4 city, but we also need to take a look on the broader
5 scale and keep all of that in perspective.
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6 The second point I wanted to address was
7 the rationale on transition that we went through on
8 this transitional acreage, and you know, two -acre
9 lots a long time ago were really designated because
10 most acreages in this area needed a well, a private
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11 well and a septic system.
12 Well, septic systems also need leach
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13 fields, and leach fields also have to have a
14 replacement leach field if that one, if and when,
15 actually when it fails. So two acres was the
sim 16 minimum designation.
17 Well, this is going to be served by water
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18 and sewer, so there's not the necessity to have that
19 much acreage to accommodate those different pieces
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20 at this point. So Planning and Zoning, when we
21 address this, we said, well, what would be
22 reasonable? What would be a reasonable -- if we
my23 were to transition and reduce, and we went through
24 the scenarios of five, ten, fifteen, up to
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6 earlier that their haven't been very many two acre
7 subdivisions approved. Well, there's been several
8 in the last couple of years. One in particular that
9 I remember is Tanglerose subdivision just off of
10 Beacon Light. And just the other day, I happened to
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11 be out driving around, saw a for sale sign on a lot,
12 pulled out the flier, and it was a 1.8 acre lot, and
1 and twenty percent seemed to be a reasonable -- and
2 that's what the recommendation of City Council was.
3 A twenty percent reductions about a little over a
4 third of an acre below.
5 Third and last point is is the comment
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13 the price on that 1.8 acre lot was $344,000 and
14 change.
15 So in my mind, does a $350,000 two -acre
16 lot support diversity in Eagle? I don't think so.
17 I'm lucky that I moved here seven years ago and
18 bought in because I couldn't afford to live here
19 anymore. And I certainly wouldn't be able to live
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21 half -acre lot.
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24 looking community -lot -wide, this -- this is kind of
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5 concessions and compromises to try to make that
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7 designations. They are -- definitely are trying to
8 work with their surrounding neighbors to get that
9 transition with the lot lines and those sorts of
10 things.
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12 we're looking at. It fits into the comp plan
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14 I think that's about all I had.
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15 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: I'd like to speak
OR 16 next, and then we'll maybe just go right down the
17 line.
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19 insisted upon is interconnectivity of communities.
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20 We will often have a subdivision saying, We don't
21 want to be connected to the subdivision next door,
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2 a major street in order to come around and visit
3 you, but go down through interior streets and make
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® 7 want to visit each other, and that's what makes us a
8 community. If we become isolated and not connected,
u m 9 we're no longer a community, but we're just little
10 chunks of islands out there.
11 And some people have gone to the point
12 where they want to have gated communities and
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14 me. I just don't think that that's the kind of
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15 thing that we ought to be promoting in the City of
® 16 Eagle, although we have subdivisions where that's
17 been proposed and is -- we have some of those
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19 The other thing that I think
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21 community in which we had people who are of
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23 living together within the community.
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1 larger lots next to big lots. But I think if we
2 have that kind of diversity within the community, we
3 have a -- more of a community feeling.
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4 If it's just exclusive groups that are the
5 very wealthy can live in this community and the very
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6 poor have to live over here someplace across the
7 freeway or the railroad tracks, I don't think that
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9 I think healthy communities are built by a
10 weave of different lifestyles and different income
11 levels, social economic patterns, and I think that's
12 healthy for a community to be that way. Young
13 people that grow up in neighborhoods where they can
14 associate with different individuals. And of
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17 So I think this is an appropriate
18 development. It is not exactly like the
19 developments around it. It does not maintain the
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20 two -acre lot size. But it does offer some very
21 attractive things. It offers some open space, it
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22 offers a pool, community pool, it offers walking
23 pathways, things like that.
24 Do you think people want to buy into this
Mg 25 community? I think so. I think the houses will
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1 sell, and I think you'll get great neighbors.
2 They'll be people somewhat like you. They could be
3 even a little bit different, and that would be good.
4 The spice of life is to have some differences.
5 A comment was made about traffic and how
6 the traffic is getting to be. I remember when I
7 moved here -- well, I can remember way back when I
8 lived here as a child. In 1951, went to a school
9 that was where Eagle Elementary School is now, and
10 down below was the high school. It was a wonderful
11 community.
12 It didn't have all these people here, it
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13 didn't have a, you know, subdivision we have today.
14 It probably was about 1,500, if that, in population.
15 Have we ruined it by all of us moving in here on
M, 16 what was a few years ago farmland? You seem to like
17 it. You like your neighborhood and your community,
18 and I think that with time we'll have progress.
19 And I sense the criticism of the City
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21 We think we've done a good job. Of course, you
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22 know, who wouldn't if they were in my shoes think
23 that they've done a good job. You'd hate to think
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1 They think Eagle is a good place to live. They move
2 here to bring up their children here. That's why I
3 moved back. I like Eagle.
4 I like the various places in Eagle, too,
5 all the way from the Eagle Ranch, which was kind of
6 an older portion of Eagle, but relatively new was
7 really built in the 1980s. That's, in my mind,
8 relatively new.
9 And we have a wonderful community. Eagle
10 Fun Days and the firemen coming and spraying the
11 kids. We have Country Christmas and all the
12 activities. And we have tried hard as a council to
13 have planned communities that provide walkways,
14 pathways, amenities.
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15 We've also planned to have country areas,
16 as well, but I don't think the whole city should be
17 country. I don't think it all should be high
a1° 18 density in row houses that we have in some of the
19 places downtown either. But I think there's places
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20 for those, and I think they can be compatible places
21 in a sense in the same community often in times in
22 the same neighborhood. And so I don't think this is
23 really a bad thing.
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25 agree, we have a lot of traffic, but this is what
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1 the Ada County Highway District said. The proposed
2 site plan is approved if all of the site-specific
3 and standard conditions of approval are satisfied.
4 ACHD requirements are intended to assure
5 that proposed use development will not place an
6 undue burden on existing vehicular transportation
7 system with the vicinity impacted by the proposed
8 development. In their opinion, this is an approved
9 subdivision that will not put an undue burden on the
10 traffic.
11 Now, I don't know what undue burden means.
12 As I drive down State Street to go into town, I get
13 a little impatient because it's kind of lined up in
14 the morning, and as I come back out State Street,
15 the same thing.
16 But when I'm on Floating Feather and in my
17 neighborhood and throughout Eagle, I don't really
18 feel that we're terribly congested. I think Eagle
19 Road is a little bit busy during the commute time.
20 I think we have a great community. I
21 think we have to make allowances for diversity, and
22 I will vote in favor of this proposal.
23 COUNCIL MEMBER: Do I have to be next?
24 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: No.
25 COUNCIL MEMBER: Well, this is -- this is
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1 one of those situations that I think all of us up
2 here hate to go through. I know I do, because, you
3 know, no matter what you do, you're going to
4 probably have some people who call you and others
5 who will catch you in the street and express their
6 opinions, which generally those are the people who
7 are unhappy rather than having to go through that
8 kind of process.
9 When we looked at -- well, when we looked
10 at Moffat subdivision, I think one of the things
11 that we saw with Moffat was -- was none of the
12 transition that at least is, you know, attempted
13 within this subdivision from the standpoint of
14 higher -- of larger lots along the fringes that
15 reduce the impacts of those around it, and I didn't
16 really see that with -- with Moffat, and I think
17 there was a concern about that.
18 And as I said at that time, and will say
19 again, the city made a mistake in what happened
20 within this area from the standpoint of not
21 appropriately identifying the areas that were being
22 changed at the area of impact.
23 And I continue to find that frustrating,
24 because what it really did was basically put us in a
25 position where we have to go through the testimony
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1 that we have tonight, where we have to go through
2 the unhappiness of residents that live out in that
3 area that justifiably are frustrated by the fact
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4 that the changes were made that they weren't happy
5 with and that -- that leaves us in a situation where
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6 we almost can't win, no matter what we do.
ma 7 And so, you know, that irritates me
8 probably as much as anything does that, you know, I
O0 9 sit here having to make a decision that I wish we
10 really wouldn't have been in the first place.
11 But I can't -- you can't go back and stuff
12 everything into the box once it's out, and this is
13 certainly one of those kinds of cases. And as a
14 result, we end up basically with a development that
15 is allowable because of what we did, and then we
„a 16 have to decide, do we live with what we did?
17 Some people would say because, you know,
+f 18 it was a mistake, does that mean what you'd consider
19 the other mistakes, you know, are the things to
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20 follow. And maybe that's what we have to do, so we
21 figure out could we minimize the mistakes or the
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22 problems that are created by that kind of situation,
23 because we can't go back and change where we are. I
24 wish we could, but it -- realistically, we can't.
SNP 25 I wish that when we got subdivision plats
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1 we could see them from ground level instead of
2 always looking down on top, because what I have
3 found in some subdivisions that -- people, you know,
4 talked about all the housetops they were going to
5 see and how overcrowded it was going to be and all
6 those kinds of things.
7 What I've discovered when I've driven past
8 those subdivisions once they're built was, Gee, I
9 only see some houses along the edge. I don't see
10 all the rooftops, I don't see all the lots that I
11 saw when I was flying at 3,000 feet over
12 subdivisions, because that's what it looked like
13 from up there.
14 And I guess because of that, over a long
15 period of time with a number of subdivisions and all
,w 16 of the things that have taken place here, I've
17 started to learn that if you can't see it and you
lam 18 couldn't even hit it if you shot a howitzer, it's
19 probably is -- the impacts may be a lot less than
20 you would think they would be out of where you live.
21 And I think that this is an example of
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22 where there are some of those that live a half mile
23 or more away probably aren't going to see a whole
24 lot of things because of this, and you know, looking
25 from up above doesn't have the same perspective, I
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1 guess, once a subdivision is built.
2 Considering where this started out, this
3 is a whole lot different. I think the developer
4 has -- has made changes to try to deal with the
5 problem. I do agree with the -- one of the
6 gentleman, and boy, I'm not sure which one it was,
7 that lives -- that mentioned that fact that he kind
8 of sat up high and was going to be looking out on
9 rooftops and things and was looking at the
10 transition, at some kind of a transition area, and
11 what would be the northeast portion, I guess, of the
12 subdivision.
13 And you know, I think that's a
14 possibility, but again, there's an awful lot of land
15 between where he is and what's ultimately going to
o. 16 take place. And we've gone through this, I think,
17 in other cases with subdivisions people that
0.1 18 (inaudible) concerned about the impact when the were
19 looking down on potentially they thought rooftops,
20 and we kind of calculated out that, you know,
21 sitting half a football field away does not
22 necessarily mean you're kind of sitting on top of
23 the people who are in your backyard.
24 I know that there are -- any time you
25 build another subdivision, you're going to have an
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1 impact, and I look at trying to figure out what can
2 be done to minimize it, and I think in this case, a
3 lot of that took place.
4 I think the developer tried to at least
5 have contact with people, so -- you know, sometimes
6 we have a developer come in and he hasn't talked to
7 anybody, and it's a big surprise, and things like
8 that. They haven't seen the concepts that would
9 have discussions. And I think in this case, those
10 kind of things took place.
11 I don't think the subdivision is going to
12 lower property values as was the concern of
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13 Mrs. Meniphee, and I have not seen anywhere in Eagle
14 where developing even smaller lots in the some -- in
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15 the vicinity of larger lots has dropped prices.
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17 lost big time money because of this. Come and see
18 me if you really have, but I -- I'm not sure, and
19 I'm somewhat hesitant to believe that property
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20 values are starting to plummet because we're putting
21 smaller lots in the City of Eagle.
22 I think in the discussion that I had with
23 Mr. Dumas, just like beauty is in the eye of the
24 beholder, high density, obviously, and low density
25 is in the eye of the beholder, too, but I think he
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3 within the city.
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4 People who live downtown, even they were
5 concerned about the 16 lots per acre subdivision we
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6 looked at not too long ago. But when it got down to
7 12 lots per acre, they were starting feel like,
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8 well, that's a little bit more allowable, depending
9 on what the design of it was, and things.
10 Well, if I put 12 homes to an acre,
11 whether they be apartments, or whatever, out there,
12 there would probably be real concern about that kind
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13 of a thing.
14 But we're talking half -acre lots or a
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15 little bit less than that in this area, and I think
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17 perspective as downtown, so I understand that,
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19 interpretations that can take place.
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21 is these are observations of mine. The bottom line
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22 is I wish that -- I wish these were two -acre lots.
23 It would make this decision a whole lot easier, I
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1 But I think with the transitions that are
2 built into this, I think Stan had a great deal to
3 say about -- about the variation and variety that we
4 can bring into communities, and I think this is an
5 example of something that is a good subdivision if
6 you're going to do that type of thing, and I'm
7 favorable.
8 COUNCIL MEMBER: I would certainly reflect
9 a lot on what was said up here already tonight. I
10 think I want to express the fact, too, that this
11 area was kind of overlooked when we did our Soaring
12 25 plan, and it obviously because a mistake after
13 the fact, and it already has been expressed, we do
14 regret missing it.
15 Having said that, we did address it, we
16 are conscious of it. In going forward, we have the
17 ability to take the input and try and do the right
18 thing, I guess I what it comes down to.
19 For the record, I think this transition
20 they've come with is an amazing change, and I think
21 it's a heck of a nice looking subdivision. I think
22 when you get this boiled down to 1.17 acres per
23 unit, I think they've tried awful hard.
24 I'd only encourage somebody to drive by a
25 subdivision like Countryside off of Ballantyne and
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1 see the same kind of transitioning that goes in. I
2 have to live next door to that in another
3 subdivision, and fought it all the way up to the
4 time it was built when I lived there, and after the
5 fact, I drive through it all the time now, and I
6 don't find it disheartening at all.
7 I do think there's lots of other product
8 that's got to come to this market as we grow and try
9 and expand and understand the changing needs of the
10 environment that exists when you talk about land use
11 planning, how we're going to see our city evolve.
12 I mean, it takes a new direction every
13 time somebody else wants to join the City of Eagle
14 and bring in property that before we never even
15 conceived of could be a part of the scheme of the
16 big picture of being in the City of Eagle.
17 The comprehensive plan is very much a
18 document to try and give guidance, but it's not an
19 absolute document, and please bear that in mind.
20 What, we've changed it seven times in the last 12
21 years. I mean, it -- and we're going to do it at a
22 more rapid pace going forward, just because that's
23 what is required.
24 I'm not going to go with a lot more,
25 because it's already been said, except to tell you
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1 that in my heart of hearts, I -- I don't think that
2 we should change the original density, at least on
3 this portion. I do think we need to figure out how
4 to transition the area west of Linder Road.
5 But having said that and trying to weigh
6 it all, even though I do like the subdivision, I'm
7 going to go back to my original belief, and that's
8 that I'm going to vote against this on the basis of
9 the fact that I believe in the land use big picture
10 that this should still be two -acre transitioning
11 towards Linder Road. But it -- I could be easily
12 swayed the other way. I just want you to know that.
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13 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: A motion?
14 ATTY7: I'll make a motion. Currently
15 I'll make a motion -- I'll make a motion that we
01, 16 approve item A-08-05/RZ-12-05/PP-11-05 Park Place
17 Gardens subdivision with all of the site-specific
18 conditions included.
19 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Is there a second?
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20 ATTY8: Second.
21 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: There was a
22 request that a condition be placed in there that
23 would require staff to review and approve the
24 changes that have proposed tonight.
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2 question is are you approving the submittal as
3 proposed by the applicant with the transition of
4 those lots and the relocation of the pathways?
5 ATTY7: Yes, on both counts. I amend my
6 motion to accommodate both of those items.
7 ATTY8: Second agrees.
8 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Okay. All in
9 favor say aye.
10 COUNCIL MEMBERS: Aye.
11 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Those opposed,
12 nay.
13 COUNCIL MEMBER: Nay.
14 THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT: The ayes have it.
15 It is approved.
16 Thank you for being here tonight. I hope
17 you really don't feel frustrated. Maybe some of you
18 do, but we've gone through a lengthy public process,
19 and that's the decision of The Board.
20 (Concluded)
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CERTIFICATE
STATE OF UTAH }
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Salt Lake County }
I, Darlene C. Minjares, do hereby certify
that the foregoing pages contain a true and accurate
transcript of the electronically recorded
proceedings and was transcribed by me to the best of
my ability from the audiotapes furnished to me.
DATED: February 21, 2006
Darlene C. Minjares
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EAGLE CITY COUNCIL
Joint Meeting with Eagle Sewer District
Minutes
February 28, 2006
1. CALL TO ORDER: Mayor calls the meeting to order at 5:30 p.m.
2. ROLL CALL:
Eagle City: BASTIAN, GUERBER, NORDSTROM, BANDY. Nordstrom is absent. A
quorum is present.
Eagle Sewer: GIFFORD, BROOKS, FERGUSON, HENDERSHOT, PATTERSON.
Patterson is absent. A quorum is present.
Mayor: Discusses the impact meetings with the City of Meridian on the West Chinden
Blvd. area.
Lynn Moser: Provides an overview of the Sewer District Master Plan. The Board has
approved the Phyllis Canal plan. General discussion.
3. DISCUSSION OF WASTE WATER PACKAGE PLANTS.
4. DISCUSSION ON GROWTH IN THE FOOTHILLS AND THE WEST EAGLE
AREA.
Mayor introduces the issue Items #3 and #4.
Discussion on current service area and expansion to the West of the City.
Discussion on the growth in the Foothills Area.
General discussion on the use of package plants and the operation.
Discussion on the Sewer District managing a package plant and ownership of the package
plants.
5. ADJOURNMENT:
Bastian moves to adjourn. Seconded by Bandy. ALL AYE: MOTION
CARRIES...
Hearing no further business, the Council meeting adjourned at 6:20 p.m.
Respectfully submitted:
SHARON K. BERGMANN
CITY CLERK/TREASURER
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